I was not talking about Karma. To the idiots who voted for that system of government, they deserve everything happening to them right now. But I guarantee you there's a significant part of the population that never bought into that crap, and they're still paying the price.

Well that is what karma is. Thought they were getting something for nothing then they ended up screwing themselves. But then again that is assuming it was a fair elections.

 

But I guarantee you there's a significant part of the population that never bought into that crap...

They were the first to escape.

New York State is experience the exact same thing right now.

But -- as usual -- the intentions were good...

 

They were the first to escape.

New York State is experience the exact same thing right now.

But -- as usual -- the intentions were good...

California and New York infecting the rest of the country.

 

But was it even a proper election?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_election

Lets not go too deeply in the politics of the matter, keep it as a observation of an experimental idea that fails spectacularly.

 

...keep it as a observation of an experimental idea that fails spectacularly.

Fine. But how many times must it fail spectacularly until the lesson sinks in? We're beyond 100 years now (and 100 *million* dead humans).

 

Fine. But how many times must it fail spectacularly until the lesson sinks in? We're beyond 100 years now (and 100 *million* dead humans).

Dystopian Nightmares and Utopian Dreams will never die.

 

After an initial knee-jerk reaction, I have somewhat tempered my initial reaction and now am tending to believe that if you are a citizen of a country you should still be considered just that, and be held responsible for any laws you have broken against your said country, but not automatic displacement.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/09/sajid-javid-moral-coward-death-begum-baby
Max.

 

After an initial knee-jerk reaction, I have somewhat tempered my initial reaction and now am tending to believe that if you are a citizen of a country you should still be considered just that, and be held responsible for any laws you have broken against your said country, but not automatic displacement.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/09/sajid-javid-moral-coward-death-begum-baby
Max.

The penalty for treason in the UK is life imprisonment. Would that have been more to your liking?

Edit: either way, I don't care.

 

The penalty for treason in the UK is life imprisonment. Would that have been more to your liking?

Edit: either way, I don't care.

What 'crimes' are treason in the UK?

Under the law of the United Kingdom, high treason is the crime of disloyalty to the Crown. Offences constituting high treason include plotting the murder of the sovereign; committing adultery with the sovereign's consort, with the sovereign's eldest unmarried daughter, or with the wife of the heir to the throne; levying war against the sovereign and adhering to the sovereign's enemies, giving them aid or comfort; and attempting to undermine the lawfully established line of succession. Several other crimes have historically been categorised as high treason, including counterfeiting money and being a Catholic priest.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_treason_in_the_United_Kingdom

If you are a British subject of the 'Crown' then banishment is much better than 'life imprisonment'.

 

This is kind of scary. No denying that this guy is an idiot and no one would want him living next to them. On the surface it seems like a really great idea that this guy was forced to move out but when you think about it you have to wonder what constitutes a nuisance. Could I get thrown out of my home because I have had some tree branches piled up in my yard all winter?

By all means arrest the guy for the drugs and any violence. But throw him out of his home? Now if he is not paying taxes I have no issues with having him removed because of it.

 

But thow him out of his home?

I do wonder about the legal authority to do that. The TV news article didn't mention charges filed, an eviction notice, a judge's ruling or anything like that. It's been going on so long, there probably was a due process working its way along with it. I'll assume shoddy reporting until we learn otherwise.

 

I do wonder about the legal authority to do that. The TV news article didn't mention charges filed, an eviction notice, a judge's ruling or anything like that. It's been going on so long, there probably was a due process working its way along with it. I'll assume shoddy reporting until we learn otherwise.

I am hopping it was actually failure to pay taxes or fines or something. I would be furious if I lived next to this moron. But then again it is his property. As long as there is no illegal activity going on there it is his to do as he wants. and if there is illegal activity you better damn well have the proof.

 

I do wonder about the legal authority to do that. The TV news article didn't mention charges filed, an eviction notice, a judge's ruling or anything like that. It's been going on so long, there probably was a due process working its way along with it. I'll assume shoddy reporting until we learn otherwise.

So... where does the guy go? Just somewhere else to do the same thing in a new neighborhood?

And if the home is sold, does he get the proceeds? Or was the home seized and the proceeds go to some government agency?

Don't even get me started on the (in my opinion) patently unconstitutional asset forfeiture laws that keep getting more and more overreaching all the time.

 

So... where does the guy go? Just somewhere else to do the same thing in a new neighborhood?

That was actually one of the comments on youtube.

And if the home is sold, does he get the proceeds? Or was the home seized and the proceeds go to some government agency?

Don't even get me started on the (in my opinion) patently unconstitutional asset forfeiture laws that keep getting more and more overreaching all the time.

Again, I am hoping the article does not cover the whole story. Hoping that they took it over taxes. Which is a whole other sore spot with me as there should be no property taxes in the first place. But if you are required to pay them and you have the means to pay them (i.e. not elderly or disabled) then you need to pay them.

Assuming he paid his taxes, I don't see how this could possibly be constitutional. If he had drugs on the property then arrest him and end it.

MOD EDIT: Cleaned up quote tags.

 

Assuming he paid his taxes, I don't see how this could possibly be constitutional. If he had drugs on the property then arrest him and end it.

Under civil asset forfeiture laws, the government files a civil suit against the property claiming that they suspect the property was used, even if only indirectly, in illegal activity. No charge is filed against the owner. To get the property back, the owner must prove that the property was not used in that activity (i.e., not only guilty until proven innocent, but you have to prove a negative).

A case that was just settled recently involved a couple whose home was seized about five years ago because their son had made a $40 drug sale on the premises. In another case an elderly woman's home was seized because local gangs were selling drugs in the yard despite repeated efforts by the owner to get the authorities to do something about it -- though arguably they did finally do something about it... they took her home from her.

Very recently (like in the last week or so), the Supreme Court has at least ruled that such forfeitures must not violate the excessive fines test. Actually, they had previously ruled that that was the case for federal seizures, now they've just ruled that the same applies to the states via the 14th Amendment. That case involved a guy that pled guilty to selling $225 of heroin and was sentenced to a year of home arrest and a $1200 fine. But the police had seized the $40k+ car that he had bought with his dad's life insurance proceeds on the grounds that it had been used in the crime.

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...-floor-plan/qLl9QX8REvsQ5gKmaeCvFL/story.html

When Brenda Didonna was house-hunting the last time around, she knew what she wanted: a home where the kitchen, living room, and dining room were one big, uninterrupted space.

“In our old house,” said Didonna, a financial analyst, “I’d come home and make dinner and my husband would be watching TV in the other room, and a good portion of the evening we’d be apart.”

She got her togetherness, all right, in a glorious new house in Millbury. Now when she cooks and her husband watches TV, he’s in full view. Relaxing. While she works. “Frankly it’s annoying,” she said. A real estate agent has been called.

“I miss walls,” she said.

https://www.inc.com/geoffrey-james/...e-now-dumbest-management-fad-of-all-time.html

It need hardly be said that these fads were and are (at best) a waste of time and (at worst) a set of expensive distractions. But open plan offices are worse. Much worse. Why? Because they decrease rather than increase employee collaboration.

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...-floor-plan/qLl9QX8REvsQ5gKmaeCvFL/story.html


https://www.inc.com/geoffrey-james/...e-now-dumbest-management-fad-of-all-time.html

I never really liked the idea. Meant my kitchen would always need to be clean which is a rare occurrence.

And I hate our open office at work. I refuse to go into the office anymore. The pin heads in management are furious the space is underutilized. They can't understand why more people aren't using the space. They ponder that from their private corner office with private restroom and in some cases their own private shower.

I have zero for those that enforce rules on others but refuse to live under those rules themselves.

If we are forced to start coming into the office Ia will quit.

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...-floor-plan/qLl9QX8REvsQ5gKmaeCvFL/story.html


https://www.inc.com/geoffrey-james/...e-now-dumbest-management-fad-of-all-time.html

The "open concept school" was the fad when I was in elementary school. Schools that didn't have walls or doors on the class rooms, but rather low bookshelves or the like to separate class areas. Total disaster -- nothing but constant distractions and noise making it hard for kids to even hear the teacher, let alone concentrate. I was fortunate in that my dad flat told the school board that we would move if they forced me to go to the shiny new open-concept school a few blocks from my house. So, instead, I went to an old traditional elementary school. After graduation I ran across my first-grade class picture and it hit me just how high a fraction of my high-school's honor graduates came from just that one first-grade class, even though there were over a dozen elementary schools that fed into it. As best I could tell, well over half of the honor grads came from my elementary school, which was the only school that let kids go through both a traditional elementary and junior high school.

 

The "open concept school" was the fad when I was in elementary school. Schools that didn't have walls or doors on the class rooms, but rather low bookshelves or the like to separate class areas. Total disaster -- nothing but constant distractions and noise making it hard for kids to even hear the teacher, let alone concentrate. I was fortunate in that my dad flat told the school board that we would move if they forced me to go to the shiny new open-concept school a few blocks from my house. So, instead, I went to an old traditional elementary school. After graduation I ran across my first-grade class picture and it hit me just how high a fraction of my high-school's honor graduates came from just that one first-grade class, even though there were over a dozen elementary schools that fed into it. As best I could tell, well over half of the honor grads came from my elementary school, which was the only school that let kids go through both a traditional elementary and junior high school.

In respect to human interaction, every few generations or so people forget the reason why basic social structures are organized the way they are. They try to re-invent the wheel, arguing that the technology available today makes the use of a traditional wheel obsolete and unnecessary. And in the end, their pipe dreams always end up crashing against the wall of human nature, which has not changed one bit in the last five thousand years.

 

...which has not changed one bit in the last five thousand years.

What has changed in the last 5K: the easy and continuous availability of quality food, housing, and medical care in the West -- along with relative peace.

Generations past would laugh uproariously at the things we call "problems".

Then, merely staying alive was as much a matter of luck as skill.