Thanks so much for your interpretation.

https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/water-on-mars.116063/#post-906241

 

Today in summer 2018.

Anchor: "We take you now to our Chief Meteorologist, Paris Hilton."

 

https://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/threads/water-on-mars.116063/#post-906241

The first line from the abstract of the report is "The presence of liquid water at the base of the martian polar caps has long been suspected but not observed."

My post title was and still is: Very cool. New evidence of water on Mars.

The report, which came out just a few days ago does, in fact, presents new evidence. Furthermore, the the focus of the new evidence is obviously water on Mars. What I stated in the post title, those eight words, are accurate and do not require modification.

The technology that was used seems impressive to me and I thought others here might be interested.

Yet, here you are with yet another one-liner, drive-by, criticism of my straightforward post with links to both the scientific report and several mass-media reports.

That fact that reports offering evidence for water on Mars have obviously been around for a while, does not make that report old news as you have now suggested twice and as is consistent with another user who felt it important to criticize both my eight words in the post and to defend you.I have already stated as much in post #117 and I edited my original post to make the point even clearer - but only because of your criticism and that by a moderator.

Truth is, I don't much care what you or anyone else thinks is old or new news. My post is consistent with the user agreement and you are entitled to your opinion and I am sure that, if you have even read this far, you are focusing your attention on a snappy defense.

Nevertheless, exactly, precisely, coherently and without any youtube videos, can you please explain why you believe the instant report is old news when the editors and reviewers of Science, a very old and very well-respected journal saw fit to publish it just a few days ago?

Did you actually read the report or not?

 

Interestingly, a good sense of humor is also important.

I know someone who's not a candidate.

 

Did you actually read the report or not?

Mine was not a criticism of your straightforward post. It was just a way to say this is not planet shaking news for those who follow the science.

Yes, I read the scientific report not the media reporting on 'new' evidence.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1029/2009GL038945
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2018/07/24/science.aar7268.DC1/aar7268_Orosei_SM.pdf

These systems were designed to generate the remote sensing data to confirm subglacial lake water on Mars.

 

Mine was not a criticism of your straightforward post. It was just a way to say this is not planet shaking news for those who follow the science.

Yes, I read the scientific report not the media reporting on 'new' evidence.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1029/2009GL038945
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2018/07/24/science.aar7268.DC1/aar7268_Orosei_SM.pdf

These systems were designed to generate the remote sensing data to confirm subglacial lake water on Mars.

We differ on the significance issue (especially because you referenced the 2009 report), but so what?

I sincerely appreciate your response. Thank you.

 

We differ on the significance issue (especially because you referenced the 2009 report), but so what?

I sincerely appreciate your response. Thank you.

Basic physics say H2O at that expected pressure and temperature should equal liquid water if there is the proper strata to maintain separation. The fact it was missing on previous remote data scans was seen by most as a shortcoming of the remote sensing technology, not a lack of evidence of subglacial lake water. We have a huge amount of deep earth radar data from scientific, oil and gas exploration that give us the basis for Mars indications of water.

 

How far can EM sense thru soil and rock?

 

How far can EM sense thru soil and rock?

It's depends on how big your budget is. For government sized budgets, easily find large buried structures, bunkers, missiles ,nuclear weapons sites in places like NK or the old USSR using specialized 'Sounding radar' systems. Synthetic aperture radar systems like ONYX have shallow ground penetration capabilities.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/lacrosse.htm

https://www.mps.mpg.de/planetary-science/mars-express-marsis

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/geomars2001/icarus8004.pdf

Theoretical geophysical models (Clifford, 1993) predict that liquid water reservoirs on Mars should be around the 2.5 km depth, where the temperature gradient may reach the ice fusion point, the fractured ground ice being able to hold liquid water reservoirs. It is then obvious that, in order to detect this rock-ice / water interface in the Martian subsurface, we need a deep sounding technique. The use of sounding radars seems to be an appropriate tool in terms of mass and energy constraints for planetary space mission (Berthelier et al., 2000). Two space missions will use the low frequency sounding radar technique: the first one is the MARSIS experiment on board of the Mars Express orbiter (ESA2003), for which the radar will use a high gain antenna to perform vertical sounding from orbit, (Picardi et al., 1999); the other is the Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR) experiment of the NetLander mission (CNES-2007), constituted of four monostatic landers, each one holding identical instruments, including the GPR that will deploy three 35 m monopole antennas and three magnetic antennas (Berthelier et al., 2000). Both systems will operate at frequencies around 2 MHz, searching mainly for deep subsurface water and mapping the geological layered structures and their seasonal variations. Primary calculations of the radar penetration depth considered lunar samples and earth polar regions electrical properties as Martian surface analogues, suggesting the possibility of a penetration depth of 2.5 km for Mars Express, and from 2.5 to 5 km for NetLander. Another future mission is being planned by JPL with the main task to acquire cartography of the whole Martian near subsurface (from 1 to 10 m in depth), using a low frequency P-Band Synthetic Aperture Radar around 330 MHz (Thompson et al., 2000).

 

The life of an electric scooter: Nasty, brutish and often short

https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...s-short/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.10f04ca51f2c

Once an electric scooter has been released into the urban wild, its life might best be likened to that of a medieval serf — backbreaking labor followed by the strong possibility of an ignominious end.

Scooters that reach their expiration date after being worn down merely by inclement weather, overuse and hazardous potholes are the lucky ones. Many others can expect their final moments to be undeniably barbaric.

Some face death by bonfire, and others are flung into the ocean or tossed from the top of parking garages and bridges, shattering on concrete sidewalks or disappearing into murky waters below. Scooters have also been intentionally run over by trucks or torn apart — limb by electronic limb — by angry drunks and rage-filled teenagers screaming abusive epithets.

 

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...te-fda-to-crack-down-on-use-of-the-word-milk/

The US Food and Drug Administration seems to have soured on nondairy milk-alternative products that use the term “milk” in their marketing and labeling—like popular soy and almond milk products.

https://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm615707.htm

Almond Milk Recalled Due to Possible Contamination by Real Milk

 

A small window into Steve Job's character:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...ather-claims-told-her-smells-like-toilet.html

Brennan-Jobs recalls hearing a rumor as a child that her dad would buy a new Porsche every time he scratched his.

 

Zombie at 2:30 in the video.

Finally out.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/in...-to-leave-clackamas-county-farm/283-579861234

 

Finally out.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/in...-to-leave-clackamas-county-farm/283-579861234

Where is @joeyd999 post with the Zombie? The video in the link above is only 1:39, what are we supposed to see, I don't get it.

I'm just thick headed

kv

 

Where is @joeyd999 post with the Zombie? The video in the link above is only 1:39, what are we supposed to see, I don't get it.

I'm just thick headed

kv

A link to the original 'Zombie' video was in the new link but here it is.
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/in...rmland-into-junkyard-near-sandy/283-561758141

 

 

https://www.eater.com/pop-culture/2018/8/8/17663850/jack-in-the-box-offensive-bowl-commercial

 

Passed this sign while driving near Portland near the river.

 

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It gets worse. Today it would have been worth over $100B.

That’d be like selling your house and then learning there were over 2500 tons of gold under the floor.