Both of them are false representations;

#12 you're right abt alephspeak (except I say it's not really dishonest since it's _declared_ numptyism)

Anyhow I know HP's being totally honest cuz that's how she's always expressed herself! And anyhow it's like she's always saying informality is just rude to readers and listeners and I totally agree cuz being informal is totally the same as condescension! And not even pretenders to numptyhood like that

 

Try HP.

#12 he can try but you know HP is dedicated hermit, just sayin'

 

#12 he can try but you know HP is dedicated hermit, just sayin'

She has competition. Last week a neighbor sent the police to my house because he couldn't tell if I was still alive.

 

Both of them are false representations; the Very Formal Tone and the Numpty with serious intellect and education. I prefer people who present themselves as who they are. You might call that honesty-centric, which I would be happy to call my own.

I for one have found "honesty-centric" to be an effective way to get people to leave me alone.

Try HP.

Her first. Besides the culture shock of being around someone at her level would be tough on me. I might have to play above my C- game and I am not so sure I can even do that any more.

Heck, someone like her could possibly even make me into something successful in life to which do you have any idea how much of a slap in the face that would be to all the teachers and people I've had in my life who said I would never amount to anything that would be?

#12 he can try but you know HP is dedicated hermit, just sayin'

Dammit, that is my favorite type of person though. Stay home, do their own thing, geek out as needed.

 

she's always saying informality is just rude to readers and listeners and I totally agree cuz being informal is totally the same as condescension!

You must travel with a very different crowd than I do. I feel lucky that I deal mostly with home owners bc they are at least smart enough to accomplish that. Writing intellectual papers? You know who comprises your audience. Most, "average" people fit the title of this Thread, "just plain sad".

 

She has competition. Last week a neighbor sent the police to my house because he couldn't tell if I was still alive.

#12 Busybody neighbors are the worst! Funny how police call intrusion like that _welfare check_ when it's really just tax payer funded snooping service

 

You must travel with a very different crowd than I do. I feel lucky that I deal mostly with home owners bc they are at least smart enough to accomplish that. Writing intellectual papers? You know who comprises your audience. Most, "average" people fit the title of this Thread, "just plain sad".

#12 I say respecting ppls intelligence is always appreciated no matter what _crowd_ they're in! Now I say calling most ppl _just plain sad_ is flirting with wrath of @Raymond Genovese!

 

#12 I say respecting ppls intelligence is always appreciated no matter what _crowd_ they're in! Now I say calling most ppl _just plain sad_ is flirting with wrath of @Raymond Genovese!

I think it's more of the fact that many of us play our own intelligence and abilities down yet even when doing so are still shocked at how we still manage to be playing the game at a level above the majority.

All of my life I have been told I am way smarter and better read than most everyone else yet I rarely felt that way and still largely don't, but I have come to take their word for it with a bit of gratitude.

But still what gets to me the most is when dealing with the average public person on some topic, that to me is grade school basics simple, only to find they have no idea what they are I am talking about. Even worse is when I meet some supposed professional in a field, one I have never considered to be more than a poops and grins hobby to myself, and I can run circles around them on what I know and they don't even catch it or they become extremely defensive over nothing.

In a way that's why I rather enjoy these sorts of forums being they are a collective of more people who can relate to these thoughts and observations than not.

 

#12 Busybody neighbors are the worst! Funny how police call intrusion like that _welfare check_ when it's really just tax payer funded snooping service

My heart was in, "fight or flight" mode before I opened the door, but he wasn't twitching his gun hand or hiding behind a parked car. No exaggeration. That happened once because I called the police to see about somebody breaking my front door. Apparently the police thought, a) a burglar would answer the door and, b) show them a gun, but I disappointed them.

And yes, I learned my lesson. I quit calling the police to solve my problems about 30 years ago. Half the time they threaten to arrest me for interrupting their doughnut break.

say respecting ppls intelligence is always appreciated no matter what _crowd_ they're in! Now I say calling most ppl _just plain sad_ is flirting with wrath of @Raymond Genovese!

It should be obvious to you that most of the regular contributors here are in the top 1% of the I.Q. curve, but nobody writes like HP. Half a dozen have said her writing is difficult for them. If I believed you, everybody except HP is chronically condescending, but I don't believe you.

 

And yes, I learned my lesson. I quit calling the police to solve my problems about 30 years ago. Half the time they threaten to arrest me for interrupting their doughnut break.

#12 you're totally right! Cuz the person who reports a crime or even just fire or road hazard is always treated like suspect!

It should be obvious to you that most of the regular contributors here are in the top 1% of the I.Q. curve

#12 I totally agree with that!

but nobody writes like HP.

#12 I say no two ppl write or speak exactly alike but I've encountered a lot of ppl who are as formal as HP and some who are more formal!

If I believed you, everybody except HP is chronically condescending

#12 I didn't mean to say that! It's just communicating at level below oneself that's condescending cuz it arrogantly assumes reader or listener has inferior knowledge and its also dishonest cuz of like what you were saying abt _false representation_

 

#12 you're totally right! Cuz the person who reports a crime or even just fire or road hazard is always treated like suspect!

Everybody is a suspect when your primary job is to find ways to collect money.

When I had a tire blown out by a chunk of 2x4 in the road, I mentally prepared to be searched if the police arrived.

communicating at level below oneself that's condescending cuz its dishonest cuz of like what you were saying abt _false representation_

If that's who HP really is, I withdraw my request to spend time in her presence.

 

If that's who HP really is, I withdraw my request to spend time in her presence.

#12 if that means I'm sounding like HP has superiority complex that's not true at all! It's just that she doesn't treat other ppl worse than she tolerates being treated herself! So she just totally refuses to talk down to ppl no exceptions cuz it's totally disrespectful and rude to treat ppl that way!

#12 now you're getting me in trouble with HP! Cuz she's already PO'ed about being called away until next week and I'm worried she took my pushiness on EHT thread seriously So plz don't have bad impression of HP based off anything I'm saying! So I know I'm naturally biased but I still say HP is the most ethical and principled person I know or know abt! And don't think I'm saying that just to get on her good graces cuz she totally hates effusiveness too!

 

communicating at level below oneself that's condescending

I try to adjust my presentation to address the listener. I guess that means I'm condescending most of the time.

I know HP's being totally honest cuz that's how she's always expressed herself!

if that means I'm sounding like HP has superiority complex that's not true at all

That is not what I said. You are sounding like HP is actually the person she presents here. Very Formal Tone, or as HP said her acquaintances called her, "Icily Formal". If that's who she really is, being around her in person serves no purpose because I would not get a second point of view from direct exposure. Even worse, I wouldn't have enough time to look up three words per sentence in a dictionary!

I had an excellent doctor for twenty years. When he had his doctor hat on, he was a very effective communicator. I worked in his home at least ten times, and he would not speak to me without his doctor hat on. I never learned who he was. HP makes two.

 

Do you ever wonder if, headed in the direction we are, we'll eventually reach a time when one generation passes from the scene and the next generation can't figure out how to keep the lights burning, keep clean water flowing from the taps, keep the petrol flowing from the gas pumps, and keep the roads maintained?

I do.

Watch the movie, "idiocracy". You'll see your theory in action.

 

I try to adjust my presentation to address the listener. I guess that means I'm condescending most of the time.

#12 remember this?

#12 remember how you once said you have ability to divine purview of ppl asking questions? I say that's great gift I just don't have So it just means I inherited teacher wannabe gene from HP

Anyhow I can tell you that by her own confession HP doesn't have that ability any more than I do! So you're not being condescending by talking on someone's level cuz you already know their level!

But even with your ability that aproach can't work for writing to large readership or speaking b4 large audience which HP does a lot of both!

#12 now I'm going to say something! Since you insist on seeing veiled insults in my responses I can oblige? I haven't insulted you yet and I don't have anything in mind but I'm sure I can think of or just make up something if you insist?

I never learned who he was.

#12 I say maybe he was just who he was when he was _wearing hat_!

You are sounding like HP is actually the person she presents here. Very Formal Tone, or as HP said her acquaintances called her, "Icily Formal".

#12 HP is totally as _frosty_ an like she says LN2! But she's a lot less formal when speaking casually than she is at speaking events or writing So if you're expecting her to be _touchy feely_ you'd be totally disappointed which I say is good thing cuz touchy feely ppl are usually needy, neurotic and basically childlike weaklings which is NOT HP!

 

#12 I say maybe he was just who he was when he was _wearing hat_!

Gotta agree with that. The person I am at work is pretty much the person I am at home or anywhere else. (I'm too lazy to try and run with multiple personalities.)

My online personality however, is definitely lacking in translating my ability to relate to and feel empathy for others to a large though. (lack of tolerance for stupid for stupidities sake seems to convey well enough somehow. )

Without direct observable body language and speech tones to work with I have no clue how to read most people here until I get to know their written language based personality ques and even then it's a guessing game so I tend to leave much of my compassion and empathy out normal day to day text based interaction. Granted I could be like HP and you and pepper my writing up with more variations in text color, sizing and font variations to convey things more effectively but again, too lazy to bother.

The fact I even make the slight effort to use somewhat correct punctuation and give what I write a single proofread before submitting things is an accomplishment enough.

#12 HP is totally as _frosty_ an like she says LN2! But she's a lot less formal when speaking casually than she is at speaking events or writing So if you're expecting her to be _touchy feely_ you'd be totally disappointed which I say is good thing cuz touchy feely ppl are usually needy, neurotic and basically childlike weaklings which is NOT HP!

So getting her to have a silly one sided conversation with a cat that meows back when talked to is not likely going to happen very often? (My inner child talks to animals just for the self amusement of seeing where imagination takes the conversation.)

 

The person I am at work is pretty much the person I am at home or anywhere else. (I'm too lazy to try and run with multiple personalities.)

Another vote for that. The only difference between who I really am and what I present is adjusting for the audience, and I've never before seen an audience that works at the level of HP and Aleph. Again agreeing with TCM, it's a real stretch to adjust to their level of communication. For most others, it's either a level playing field or I'm dumbing it down for noobies, at least in the field of electronics. Several, "real" engineers can run circles around me, and out of my field, I'm as bad as any other noobie. That's why I'm not playing on a Chemistry site.

 

I've never before seen an audience that works at the level of HP and Aleph.

That's maybe because, when dealing with HP and Aleph, you are the audience...

 

Another vote for that. The only difference between who I really am and what I present is adjusting for the audience, and I've never before seen an audience that works at the level of HP and Aleph. Again agreeing with TCM, it's a real stretch to adjust to their level of communication. For most others, it's either a level playing field or I'm dumbing it down for noobies, at least in the field of electronics. Several, "real" engineers can run circles around me, and out of my field, I'm as bad as any other noobie. That's why I'm not playing on a Chemistry site.

Chemistry is no different from engineering. It is all easy when you focus on one area of chemistry. The problem is that people walk up to a chemist and ask about this or that and most questions, statistically, are outside of that chemist's expertise (organic synthesis, analytical chemistry, surfactant formulation, polyurethane foam formulation, polymer testing, injection molding (crossing over into engineering), ...).

As you can see, Chemists, like engineers, have focused on one (or a few) disciplines in chemistry (or even a sub discipline). People are so disappointed when they walk away without an answer. But, for some reason, people don't seem disappointed when an EE fails to explain how to calculate the max load on a pre-stressed concrete bridge span.

 

As noted in the article there may be other math courses more suited to the student's major (statistics for example) that might be required.

Noooo!