# Thermistor - Voltage Circuit.

Thread Starter

#### NMC

Joined Nov 16, 2018
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Hi All,

I am looking to design a circuit using an Omega4404 thermistor which at 20 degree's outputs 0v.
I want to draw a graph of corresponding voltages for 20-30 degrees.

What type of circuit do I need to design?

Thanks
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#### ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
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hi NMC,
Do you have a datasheet for that 4404 sensor.?
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#### AlbertHall

Joined Jun 4, 2014
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#### Alec_t

Joined Sep 17, 2013
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Jeepers! That 44004 is expensive! There are MUCH cheaper thermistors available and which may do the job, unless you are constrained to have that particular resistance (2252Ω @ 25C).
What tolerance is acceptable for your purpose?
What is the purpose?

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#### MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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Thermistors, in general, are non-linear resistors with negative temperature coefficients (NTC), i.e. resistance goes down as temperature goes up. The simplest way to get a linear response is to get the data into a computer and do the data to temperature conversion mathematically.

If you want 0V output at any specific temperature, you can use a difference amplifier to subtract any DC offset voltage or use a bridge circuit.

Personally, I prefer to convert the thermistor resistance to a frequency and get a microcontroller (MCU) to read the frequency. Without knowing your specific application it is difficult to suggest any such options.

#### sghioto

Joined Dec 31, 2017
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Fahrenheit or celcius? Did you mean Omega 44004?
SG

Thread Starter

#### NMC

Joined Nov 16, 2018
13
Hi all,

Thanks for the replies.
Apologies it is an Omega 44004.

I want to design a circuit that at 20 degrees Celsius the output voltage is 0V.
I then need to determine the voltage for temperatures 21-30 degrees Celsius which have given resistances as below:

20 degrees C = 2814 Ohms
21 = 2690
22 = 2572
23 = 2460
24 = 2354
25 = 2252
26 = 2156
27 = 2064
28 = 1977
29 = 1894
30 = 1815

Below is a circuit which I tried to simulate - #### KeepItSimpleStupid

Joined Mar 4, 2014
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Look at the LTC 2983 / 2084 and 2986 IC's. It's a pricey IC.

#### crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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Here's the bridge circuit with an op amp differential to single-ended output (LTspice simulation below).

Q1 and Q2 generate a current load on the output to help pull the output close to zero, which single-supply op amps don't generally do.
If you have a plus and minus supply for the amp, then those aren't needed.

The circuit gain is 2 as compared to the voltage across the same bridge connected to ground.

Pot U2 is for offset adjustment.

As you can see, the output voltage goes from ≈0V to ≈1V for a temp change of 20 to 30°C. Last edited:
• sghioto
Thread Starter

#### NMC

Joined Nov 16, 2018
13
Hi All,

Thanks for the replies again.
I'm still struggling to design a circuit for my thermistor-voltage circuit.
Do I use a simple bridge circuit or do I need to use some sort of op-amp?

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#### crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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Do I use a simple bridge circuit or do I need to use some sort of op-amp?
So you don't understand the previous posts here?

#### joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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Personally, I prefer to convert the thermistor resistance to a frequency and get a microcontroller (MCU) to read the frequency.
Why?

#### MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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Because an MCU is better at counting pulses than measuring analog voltages.

#### joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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Because an MCU is better at counting pulses than measuring analog voltages.
Seriously: I would love to see your calibrationless T-to-F solution that gives milli°C resolution and centi°C accuracy with only one external component besides the MCU and thermistor.

Edit: I've discussed my solution.

#### MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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Seriously, no one is talking about calibrationless temperature measurement. The thermistor is non-linear and some form of transformation is required. Thermistors are interchangeable once the system is calibrated.

My solution consists of thermistor, capacitor, and MCU.

#### joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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My solution consists of thermistor, capacitor, and MCU.
And calibration. How's the stability against temperature and Vdd/reference voltage changes?

#### crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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My solution consists of thermistor, capacitor, and MCU.
How does that accurately convert the thermistor resistance to a frequency? #### MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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How does that accurately convert the thermistor resistance to a frequency? I charge the capacitor then allow the capacitor to discharge through the resistor. I do this many times and then count how many times I can do this in a certain time period.

#### crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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I charge the capacitor then allow the capacitor to discharge through the resistor. I do this many times and then count how many times I can do this in a certain time period.
And you really think that's more accurate than using the processors A/D converter to measure an analog voltage, such as from the bridge circuit?

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