The police car is between that gazebo and the parks 'rec room' building on the right of your photo. So yes, it was logical to drive the car to block a possible shooter from going that way.

 

This is where you are going too far and start to lose support with your anti-all-cop prejudice.

The links I post are not prejudice. They are documented facts.
The conversations I have had with real cops on the street are not prejudice. They are experience.
I have never met a cop that knew the law he was talking about and very few that weren't busy making @$$es of themselves. That isn't prejudice. That's a statistical sampling of the population called, "police officers".

 

The links I post are not prejudice. They are documented facts.
The conversations I have had with real cops on the street are not prejudice. They are experience.

If every bad-cop link you have posted since the start of this thread is true times one hundred is absolutely true that's still a tiny percentage of total cops nationwide. Your experience is only another small data point.

 

The average cop on the street hasn't read the Constitution,

The average CITIZEN hasn't read the Constitution either.

This is the kind of dumbass cop that is the rule, not the exception.

And why is that? My son has his bachelors. The cops don't want the standards lowered, so something else is causing the lowering. Guess what it is ... Society. Society is the feeder for all employment, including military service. You don't get the "pick of the litter." The government has decided diversity is what's best for the country and as long as Society declines, everything declines. Look at New London and the Wonderlic test scores. The only way things will change is if the citizens demand change. That's not going to happen.

I'll bet the "average" citizen can't even pass the sample test for citizenship given to immigrants

The links I post are not prejudice.

Any discussion prior to the completion of an investigation/trial is prejudicial. Pre-judging before a judicial ruling.

I can be guilty of pre-judging just like everyone else.

 

And why is that?

The last cop I asked about that said, "It isn't required reading."
You swore an oath to defend something you never read, then didn't read it for the next 20 years?
Yes. I'm that stupid. I was ignorant the day I was hired, and just as ignorant the day I retired, and that spells s-t-u-p-i-d.
(You get what you pay for at only $50,000 per officer per year [and that's just the base pay].)
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Police_Officer/Salary

Any discussion prior to the completion of an investigation/trial is prejudicial.

Ooh! Word games!
noun
1.
an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

The accurate perception of reality isn't a lack of knowledge, thought, or reason.
However, I can't make you perceive reality. You are free to wait until the end of your day in court, just like these people:
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/innocent-couple-prison-cops-mistook-baking-soda-cocaine/

And remember, drug suspects get a free prostate exam, which is apparently much better than recognizing that there is a problem.
It's much more practical to just accept the fact that police are selected for low intelligence, poorly educated, trained to attack, and carry guns. Just accept it. You're only one person. You aren't powerful enough to try to improve the situation. Better yet, argue against people who place the facts where you can see them.

 

It's much more practical to just accept the fact that police are selected for low intelligence, poorly educated, trained to attack, and carry guns.

A perverted outcome of this is that policing might one day be made yet another federal chore. People that, at the local level, are unwilling to pay more for the police in their area, will be forced to pay for a federal force that replaces the cheaper, local force. That'd be a big mistake, but it might raise the quality level in certain areas where it's presently lacking.

It's really not much different than the argument going on about education funding and control. The feds want to enforce standards but people (rightly) want to retain local control.

Do we have the right to hire bad cops and ineffective teachers if we choose to save the money for other things? I believe we do.

 

Good cop/BAD cop?

 

The links I post are not prejudice. They are documented facts.

You like me aren't experts on this, we don't even play "experts" online, in an electronics forum. Unlike some others here. They've made up their minds, and no amount of trying to bring up other points of view will get through, no matter what facts you put out there.

 

People that, at the local level, are unwilling to pay more for the police in their area, will be forced to pay for a federal force that replaces the cheaper, local force.

There is nothing to indicate the federal replacements would be more educated than the locals they replaced. They will come under the same scrutiny as the locals.

 

Good cop/BAD cop?

They could be very very good when being very very bad.....

 

Better yet, argue against people who place the facts where you can see them.

Facts as they are known at the time of publication. We should violate the Constitutional rights of everyone to satisfy the few.

 

You like me aren't experts on this, we don't even play "experts" online, in an electronics forum. Unlike some others here. They've made up their minds, and no amount of trying to bring up other points of view will get through, no matter what facts you put out there.

You don't need to be an expert to see that abuses by the police is a problem that needs a real solution not just jaw flapping. I'm a 100% in favor of locking up for a long time every convicted bad cop in America if that's what it takes but I'm not going to say they, as a rule are mainly bad. What the anti-cop extremists miss is that's on par with saying all blacks are bad because of the percentage of the blacks in this country that commit crimes.

 

The police car is between that gazebo and the parks 'rec room' building on the right of your photo. So yes, it was logical to drive the car to block a possible shooter from going that way.

Between? They probably would have crashed into the gazebo if they had tried to get between.
The point I was trying to make is the Rec. center is a long ways away.
Better picture.

http://fox8.com/2016/05/03/smithson...ervation-of-gazebo-where-tamir-rice-was-shot/

 

Between? They probably would have crashed into the gazebo if they had tried to get between.
The point I was trying to make is the Rec. center is a long ways away.

That does nothing to change the point that driving the car to that location was not a Cowboy move. They believed they would possibly save lives, not tragically take one.

CPPA President Answers Shooting Questions

Why did the officers pull up so quickly and so close to Tamir?

According to Loomis this was a "gun run" meaning the officers were told by dispatch that they were to confront a suspect known to be armed with a gun. Supposedly, the officers observed Tamir get up from the seat at the table under the gazebo, put the gun in the waistband of his pants and begin walking out from under the gazebo. The purpose of the fast entry on the grass was to cut off Tamir so he wouldn't continue on and enter the community rec center with the gun. The officers, Loehmann and Garmback reasoned that Tamir would see them coming in fast and take off running into the field.

This link is to a Google Maps aerial view of the Cudell Recreation Center on the west side of Cleveland.

Google Maps aerial view of the Cudell Recreation Center

North is at the top of the image. The gazebo has a hexagon-shaped roof and it is located in the lower center of the image. The patrol car drove up next to the gazebo on the grass between the gazebo and the wood posts that separate the sidewalk from the grass. The patrol car stopped facing north with the gazebo on the passenger side and the sidewalk on the drivers side. Tamir was walking almost due west, toward the large parking lot on the left side of the image.

According to Loomis, Loehmann and Garmback reasoned that Tamir would see the police car and take off through the field that is in the upper right quadrant of the image. The goal was to keep Tamir, with the gun, from entering the rec center which is the building in the upper left quadrant of the image. Looking at the image it is possible to imagine that had Tamir taken off to the north and east as the officers had planned, they could have kept themselves and their car between Tamir and the rec center.

 

That does nothing to change the point that driving the car to that location was not a Cowboy move. They believed they would possibly save lives, not tragically take one.

Riiigghtt!

 

There is nothing to indicate the federal replacements would be more educated than the locals they replaced. They will come under the same scrutiny as the locals.

Grabbing centralized control is not about increasing quality (as it will be sold), it's about command and control. It'll be that many more dollars and jobs under the control of a hand-chosen crony bureaucrat instead of the local folks that have to answer to their neighbors.

 

We should violate the Constitutional rights of everyone to satisfy the few.

I don't know where you're coming up with that. How does believing your eyes and correctly perceiving reality violate anybody's Constitutional rights? I do that in the privacy of my own home, every day, and have never heard a complaint.

 

Just a little thing called due process. No biggie. The rules are meant to be broken.

 

You don't need to be an expert to see that abuses by the police is a problem that needs a real solution not just jaw flapping. I'm a 100% in favor of locking up for a long time every convicted bad cop in America if that's what it takes but I'm not going to say they, as a rule are mainly bad. What the anti-cop extremists miss is that's on par with saying all blacks are bad because of the percentage of the blacks in this country that commit crimes.

The belief that I'm "anti-cop", is your main problem with me, I guess. Couldn't be more wrong though. While not real 'family' growing up many were at our house as guests. I heard the stories they told, and many were about who on the force was doing wrong thing's. But not one of the "good" guys would do anything about the "bad" guys. Thin blue line they call it now, even though the bad guys deeds were well known in the area, no one, not another cop, city prosecutor, news paper reporter or any one did any thing to stop it. And I don't believe it's any different today.

As far as the black thing, maybe I'm misreading you and your buddies words. When you talk about"black lives matter", it sounds like your condemning all of them in the movement when a few do something wrong.

 

The belief that I'm "anti-cop", is your main problem with me, I guess. Couldn't be more wrong though. While not real 'family' growing up many were at our house as guests. I heard the stories they told, and many were about who on the force was doing wrong thing's. But not one of the "good" guys would do anything about the "bad" guys. Thin blue line they call it now, even though the bad guys deeds were well known in the area, no one, not another cop, city prosecutor, news paper reporter or any one did any thing to stop it. And I don't believe it's any different today.

As far as the black thing, maybe I'm misreading you and your buddies words. When you talk about"black lives matter", it sounds like your condemning all of them in the movement when a few do something wrong.

The thin blue line has plenty of holes in it today and cameras on every officer will make it tissue thin. I think BLM is run by people who can't see the forest for the trees, black on black crime dwarfs police shooting minorities of all kinds.