Does the video begin at the first encounter?

Do you want to hear about the fact that the woman had an arrest warrant at some previous time, but not that day?
Would arresting her without any outstanding warrants or suspicion of a recent crime be sufficient provocation to justify punching her in the face?
If you're waiting for the part where she made any move against him, you're going to be waiting a long time...unless informing an officer of the facts of the situation is now equal to battery and must be met subdued with immediate violence, fear for the officer's life, etc.
(I wouldn't be surprised.)

 

The opinion of the County prosecutor

Then I take it you've never had a family member involved with the Cuyahoga county justice dept. I have and they aren't very fair or above board. That's why the DOJ is auditing their procedures.

The Rice case should have been handled by an out of jurisdiction prosecutor. And the cop that shot him was fired from another force for excessive force before being hired there.

 

Here's an update. The woman was correct in asserting that the officer was required by law to have the alleged warrant in his hand in order to arrest her.

"Jeff Bonar pulled up and claimed that she had a warrant and he planned to arrest her. However, not only did the badged thug not have the warrant to show her, as is the law, he did not even explain what the warrant was for. The woman was resisting her illegal kidnapping when the power-tripping gangster decided that she deserved a punch in the face for demanding her rights.

http://www.copblock.org/168421/cop-punches-woman-in-face/

 

Then I take it you've never had a family member involved with the Cuyahoga county justice dept. I have and they aren't very fair or above board. That's why the DOJ is auditing their procedures.

The Rice case should have been handled by an out of jurisdiction prosecutor. And the cop that shot him was fired from another force for excessive force before being hired there.

I might agree with most of that but all this has nothing to do with your original assertion IRT the Philando Castile case.

 

While you're waiting for the first encounter, here's a couple more you can wait for:

http://kfor.com/2016/11/16/oklahoma-county-deputy-charged-with-child-abuse/?platform=hootsuite
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2016/11...hild/#.WCzxV83xfi4.twitter?platform=hootsuite

Those children must have had prior encounters in order to provoke the officers into this kind of behavior.

 

We all know the police have had previous encounters with diabetics. That's why they jerk them out of their car and beat them with clubs...they have been previously provoked.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cops-mistake-mans-diabetic-episode/

Yes, here's the provocation. It happened 9 months ago.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/man-assaulted-cops-seizure-charged-resisting-arrest/

 

And then there are those deaf people. They ALWAYS provoke the police with their hand gestures and refusing to comply with verbal orders.

https://photographyisnotacrime.com/...erstanding-commands-awarded-55000-settlement/

 

And the mentally ill people walking around all pregnant like they're something special.

https://photographyisnotacrime.com/...abor-resulting-in-babys-death-lawsuit-claims/

I'll bet fetuses have a history with the cops, too.

 

"He also defended the officers’ tactics in the moments before the shooting, saying they had positioned their cruiser to prevent Tamir from running into the recreation center, where they thought he might endanger people. They tried to stop farther away, but the car skidded, Mr. Hilow said."

Seems like a very logical move considering the imprecise information they had from dispatch.

My original point was that in the comparison of this case to the Philando Castile shooting case about the only things in common are two dead people both shot by a cop.

 

To be fair, I will admit that when a cop gets caught red handed on video it's better to wait for the police to investigate themselves because nobody is more honest or rigorous in their duties than American LEOs.

http://www.copblock.org/140622/two-deputies-indicted-for-manslaughter-and-perjury-in-tasing-death/
http://www.copblock.org/167589/boul...audio-arrest-video-caught-committing-perjury/
http://www.copblock.org/165895/cyril-oklahoma-police-officer-accused-perjury-destroying-evidence/
http://www.copblock.org/165438/dall...fy-arresting-citizen-journalist-filming-them/
http://www.copblock.org/162826/head...-court-in-perjurywithholding-evidence-charge/
http://www.copblock.org/162014/boulder-city-nv-police-employee-year-commits-perjury-to-arrest-man/
http://www.copblock.org/158429/florida-cops-charged-after-surveillance-video-exposes-perjury/

 

Here's an update. The woman was correct in asserting that the officer was required by law to have the alleged warrant in his hand in order to arrest her.

"Jeff Bonar pulled up and claimed that she had a warrant and he planned to arrest her. However, not only did the badged thug not have the warrant to show her, as is the law, he did not even explain what the warrant was for. The woman was resisting her illegal kidnapping when the power-tripping gangster decided that she deserved a punch in the face for demanding her rights.

http://www.copblock.org/168421/cop-punches-woman-in-face/

I don't know. It's Arizona you know.....

 

To be fair, I will admit that when a cop gets caught red handed on video it's better to wait for the police to investigate themselves because nobody is more honest or rigorous in their duties than American LEOs.

http://www.copblock.org/140622/two-deputies-indicted-for-manslaughter-and-perjury-in-tasing-death/
http://www.copblock.org/167589/boul...audio-arrest-video-caught-committing-perjury/
http://www.copblock.org/165895/cyril-oklahoma-police-officer-accused-perjury-destroying-evidence/
http://www.copblock.org/165438/dall...fy-arresting-citizen-journalist-filming-them/
http://www.copblock.org/162826/head...-court-in-perjurywithholding-evidence-charge/
http://www.copblock.org/162014/boulder-city-nv-police-employee-year-commits-perjury-to-arrest-man/
http://www.copblock.org/158429/florida-cops-charged-after-surveillance-video-exposes-perjury/

I enjoy the [Sarc] and cynicism, it's rife and in your face. But, it reflects what we are willing to pay vs job responsibility. To get good people you have to pay for it, otherwise like in my family you get what you get and don't pitch a fit.

kv

 

... it reflects what we are willing to pay vs job responsibility. To get good people you have to pay for it....

I don't think this will help.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/article114717463.html

"Police relax old standards to fill positions fewer want"

 

I don't think this will help.

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/article114717463.html

"Police relax old standards to fill positions fewer want"

In addition you bring up a another point that I often think about and can never quite sum, Obama brings back people "Some people" addicted to adrenaline from war a zone and can't fit in and who are respected by society and should be. They have PTSD and hide their affliction and it can be exacerbated during a conflict resolution. The resulting behavior is disastrous if allowed in the police departments in all the states.

They need time and place to exhale, but we as a people can't respect that.

kv

 

To be fair, I will admit that when a cop gets caught red handed on video it's better to wait for the police to investigate themselves because nobody is more honest or rigorous in their duties than American LEOs.

Hasn't the Justice Department jumped in when they suspect the Internal Investigation was ripe with fraud/perjury?

 

Hasn't the Justice Department jumped in when they suspect the Internal Investigation was ripe with fraud/perjury?

Yeah, sometimes, not often enough, but the job is too big, even for the DOJ. The average cop on the street hasn't read the Constitution, doesn't know the laws he is supposed to enforce, suffers from black and white thinking, and spends most of his/her time in revenue generation tasks. The only thing they know about adversity, including simple conversations, is escalation of force. Piss one off and he will find a way to turn you into a convicted felon, even if he has to create a crime, then charge you with it.

Remember the Krispy Kreme sugar flake mentioned earlier in this Thread? The case on this page is about a woman who knows the law better than the cop, so he punches her out and calls for backup to "subdue" her from educating him. This is the kind of dumbass cop that is the rule, not the exception. Now that cameras are ubiquitous, stupid, belligerent, and vicious cops are being caught every day. Case in point: All the links I posted yesterday were from ONE day of news, except the perjury convictions and the 9 month old diabetic clubbing.

When faced with this overwhelming evidence that something is terribly wrong, there is still a section of the population that responds with: "Wait until the police investigate themselves because I can't believe my eyes." I say, "Wake up!" Something is terribly wrong and hiring more low I.Q. cops and giving them military equipment to use on a civilian population isn't fixing it.

 

Piss one off and he will find a way to turn you into a convicted felon, even if he has to create a crime, then charge you with it.

Exactly what happened to my son in Cuyahoga county, Oh.

 

I might agree with most of that but all this has nothing to do with your original assertion IRT the Philando Castile case.

So a "suspect" complying with a cops "orders" and being gunned down in mere second or minutes, is not the same in any way? Or do you have the"inside" link to both cases? Meaning they consulted you before deciding to prosecute or not.

 

And then there are those deaf people. They ALWAYS provoke the police with their hand gestures and refusing to comply with verbal orders.

https://photographyisnotacrime.com/...erstanding-commands-awarded-55000-settlement/

I had a girlfriend whose brother in law was shot down in one of those situations. His brother was mentally ill and was threatening a neighbor with a rifle, cops and the brother were called. The deaf brother got the gun from the MI brother, and walked out of the house with it, not pointing it at them but by his side. Because he couldn't hear the cops orders, they killed him for not dropping the gun and laying on the ground.

 

This is the kind of dumbass cop that is the rule, not the exception.

This is where you are going too far and start to lose support with your anti-all-cop prejudice. I hate bad cops because they poison the well for the vast majority of them that don't behave like thugs or criminals but it's foolish and counterproductive to whitewash the whole group when we need to concentrate our efforts to reduce the actual number to as low as possible.

http://www.copblock.org/99550/how-many-bad-cops-what-impact/

I agree that even 1% is far too many.