The war on cops, another chapter

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Now, what would be a good reason to keep the exculpatory evidence secret?
Because it's not exculpatory.
And now, the cherry on top:
Police chief Kerr Putney told a news conference that the video does show Keith Scott, 43, was holding a gun and not a book, as the family has claimed. “I can tell you we did not find a book.” But, he said, it does not clearly show Scott pointing the gun at anyone."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/22/keith-scott-video-charlotte-police-shooting

Today, Charlotte's chief of police said they have no intention of releasing video footage of the shooting "to the masses," though and also said the footage itself does not conclusively prove whether Scott was holding a gun on officers.

https://reason.com/blog/2016/09/22/keith-scott-body-cameras-charlotte
 

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Why do people want the video released?
Because sometimes you have to see it to believe it.

St. Louis, MO — In December 2011, St. Louis Police Officer Jason Stockley violated department policy when he grabbed his personal AK-47, premeditated, and then murdered Anthony Lamar Smith. The planning of the murder and the actual murder were captured on the officer’s dashcam. However, no one has ever seen that footage — until this week.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/leaked-dashcam-footage-cop-murder/

WATCH: Cops Steal Man’s Phone, Accidentally Record Themselves Conspiring to Falsely Charge Him
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-record-conspiring-video/

BREAKING: Video Released Showing Cops Publicly Execute Mentally Ill Man for Yelling at Them

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/sacramento-police-execute-mentally-ill-man/

Curse this War on Cops! It could weed out the best killers with an I.Q. low enough to be hired as a police officer.
 

nsaspook

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And now, the cherry on top:
Police chief Kerr Putney told a news conference that the video does show Keith Scott, 43, was holding a gun and not a book, as the family has claimed. “I can tell you we did not find a book.” But, he said, it does not clearly show Scott pointing the gun at anyone."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/22/keith-scott-video-charlotte-police-shooting

Today, Charlotte's chief of police said they have no intention of releasing video footage of the shooting "to the masses," though and also said the footage itself does not conclusively prove whether Scott was holding a gun on officers.

https://reason.com/blog/2016/09/22/keith-scott-body-cameras-charlotte
First, it was never said that he pointed the gun at the officer so the bright shiny headline is only repeating what's been known from the start. The facts are that witnesses other than the police saw the incident and the firearm independent of the video evidence.
 
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nsaspook

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Video from 3 angles.
Have you forgotten how to Google?
What those videos lack is context into why the officer shot the person. I won't fool myself into thinking that video 'tells all' because it doesn't.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/04/01/us/police-bodycam-video.html
This confirms what Professor Stoughton has found in his own presentations with judges, lawyers and students: What we see in police video footage tends to be shaped by what we already believe.

“Our interpretation of video is just as subject to cognitive biases as our interpretation of things we see live,” Professor Stoughton said. “People disagree about policing and will continue to disagree about exactly what a video shows.”
 
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nsaspook

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That much is true... even videos are subject to interpretation and do not reflect the compete reality. Although they're far more reliable than eyewitnesses, of course.
Very true. I've said this seems to be another panic/fear driven shooting. Let the chips fall.
 
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nsaspook

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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/09/22/officer-charged-terence-crutcher/
TULSA, Okla. (CBSNewYork/AP) — Prosecutors in Tulsa, Oklahoma, charged a white police officer who fatally shot an unarmed black man on a city street with first-degree manslaughter Thursday.

Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler filed the charge less than a week after officer Betty Shelby shot and killed 40-year-old Terence Crutcher on Sept. 16. Kunzweiler said arrangements were being made for Shelby’s surrender.

“I do not know why things happen in this world the way they do,” Kunzweiler said, adding that he determined first-degree manslaughter the appropriate charge. “We need to pray for wisdom and guidance.”
 

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wayneh

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I think that's the right decision, based on what little we can see. A jury needs to see and hear all they can and make their judgement. I truly doubt that the officer had malice in her heart, but she killed somebody. Even if it was an accident, there must be consequences.
 

shortbus

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@nsaspook, if you really are the person in the personal photos you post from time to time, do you worry about you or one of your family being one traffic stop away from making "national news"? The "I follow police instructions" is getting farther and farther from making you safe.
 

nsaspook

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http://statelaws.findlaw.com/oklahoma-law/oklahoma-voluntary-manslaughter-law.html
What's the Difference Between Murder and Manslaughter?

The key difference between murder and manslaughter is the element of malice (the intent or desire to cause death or serious bodily harm). "Murder" is generally defined as the unlawful killing of another with malice under specific circumstances that vary slightly from state to state, while "manslaughter" is the unlawful killing of another without malice.
 

nsaspook

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@nsaspook, if you really are the person in the personal photos you post from time to time, do you worry about you or one of your family being one traffic stop away from making "national news"? The "I follow police instructions" is getting farther and farther from making you safe.
No, I don't worry about it. If I lived in a part of the country where this was common then maybe but I don't.
I do worry about them being involved in a auto crash.

 
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#12

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Dishonest, underhanded, despicable things are done legally by government everyday to prevent crime or terrorism, to do otherwise would be incredibly stupid and naive.
Thanks for the inside information. I have recently been re-evaluating my long held belief that my government has a moral compass.
 

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What those videos lack is context into why the officer shot the person. I won't fool myself into thinking that video 'tells all' because it doesn't.
The Tulsa County District Attorney has charged the killer cop with felony first degree manslaughter.
Apparently he thought those videos told a story, but that doesn't mean you have to.
 

nsaspook

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The Tulsa County District Attorney has charged the killer cop with felony first degree manslaughter.
Apparently he thought those videos told a story, but that doesn't mean you have to.
I don't have a problem with her being charged but I do have a problem with prejudice of all kinds.
 
What irrefutable evidence of police misconduct?
As I understand it, the (widely circulated) videos showing (unarmed) Crutcher walking away from the officer (Shelby) at the time of the shooting was recorded on cameras aboard the police RWA and (one or more) patrol-car 'dash-cams'...

Granting the authenticity of said 'footage', I find it nothing short of appalling that the charges against Shelby are merely that of 'manslaughter' -- How truly it's one law for Law Enforcement and another for everyone else:mad:

I must confess that I initially regarded BLM as a lot of 'Soros goaded' yobs -- In light of current events, however, I'm bound to say I'm becoming increasingly sympathetic to their anger!:( That said, I feel their 'moniker' is unnecessarily polarizing -- Increasingly out of control law enforcement is everyone's concern - without regard to demographics -- It would be a pity to 'soften' focus on the vital issue of law-enforcement overreach via digression into racial politics, etc...

Best regards
HP
 
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nsaspook

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Granting the authenticity of said 'footage', I find it nothing short of appalling that the charges against Shelby are merely that of 'manslaughter' -- How truly it's one law for Law Enforcement and another for everyone else:mad:
What possible rational would there be for a murder charge against Shelby?
 
What possible rational would there be for a murder charge against Shelby?
If shooting an unarmed person in the back doesn't qualify as malice under US law that's truly sad!... Especially as, for instance, DWI fatalities not uncommonly result in 2'nd degree homicide convictions -- While I've no sympathy for intoxicated or otherwise distracted vehicle operators - my point remains -- to wit: negligence≠malice... While Crutcher's death may not have been an 'execution', are the videos to be credited, it was murder nonetheless!:(

Best regards
HP
 
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