Come to think about it, if I was going to shoot a cop, I would have my gun out before he got to the car.
Here is my theory:
Cop - you have a bad tail light. Can I see your license and registration?
Cas - Okay. I have a gun and a permit to carry.
Cas - reaches for billfold.
Cop thinks he is after gun.
Everybody is right.

The bad tail light was a pretext for the true reason for the stop. If the officers really believed that it was a possible high risk stop with a possible armed robber suspect (that's what dispatch was told about the stop) then it would have been better for all if high risk stop procedures were followed.

http://resources.learningforlife.org/exploring/lawenforcement/study/tstop.pdf

 

Why does the seat belt cross the victims right shoulder and not his left? Was he driving a british imported vehicle?

Mirrored video from selfie cam on phone.

 

I wouldn't normally think the cop would fire if there was no mention of the victim being vetted to legally carry a gun which the cop never saw.
On the other hand, a cop here in Florida shot a man for reaching to get his Driver's License, right after the cop ordered him to do that, with no mention of being certified as an upstanding enough citizen to be a gun permit holder.
It's difficult to guess when and how fast to follow their orders.

If the officers really believed that was a possible high risk stop...then it would have been better for all if high risk stop procedures were followed.

Proper groveling in the dirt at gunpoint might have helped, but nobody told the victim to grovel in the dirt.
It's even more difficult to guess when and how fast to follow their orders when they don't announce their orders.

 

@#12
The cop does not know if you are lying about having a CCW when you say you have one. The procedure that keeps you from getting shot is taught to you in the CCW class: Stick your hands out the window, declare you that you have a concealed weapon and a CCW and do exactly with the cop tells you to do. I don't consider this groveling in the dirt. It is what you do as a CCW holder.

 

The cop does not know if you are lying about having a CCW when you say you have one.

If a cop doesn't believe you have the CCW you just told him about, there is no reason to shoot you.
Even if he does believe you passed all the security checks to get a CCW, that is still no reason to shoot you.

declare you that you have a concealed weapon and a CCW

That is exactly what got Castile killed.

do exactly with the cop tells you to do.

That's what Castile did, and it got him killed.

I don't consider this groveling in the dirt.

I think you need to review:

high risk stop procedures

because that is what I was referencing.

ps, I just stumbled across another reference about the, "War on Cops":
"Since 1977, reports University of California, Berkeley law professor Franklin Zimring, the number of officers killed on duty has plunged by 69 percent."
https://reason.com/archives/2016/07/11/when-cops-kill-and-when-cops-die

 

Fools wage war while rich get richer.

 

@#12
What got Castile killed was that the cop said don't move and Castile pulled his arm back into the car.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/u...e-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0

In officer-involved shootings in these cities, officers were more likely to fire their weapons without having first been attacked when the suspects were white. Black and white civilians involved in police shootings were equally likely to have been carrying a weapon. Both of these results undercut the idea that the police wield lethal force with racial bias.
...
And in the arena of “shoot” or “don’t shoot,” Mr. Fryer found that, in tense situations, officers in Houston were about 20 percent less likely to shoot a suspect if the suspect was black. This estimate was not very precise, and firmer conclusions would require more data. But, in a variety of models that controlled for different factors and used different definitions of tense situations, Mr. Fryer found that blacks were either less likely to be shot or there was no difference between blacks and whites.
...
Moreover, the results do not mean that the general public’s perception of racism in policing is misguided. Lethal uses of force are exceedingly rare. There were 1.6 million arrests in Houston in the years Mr. Fryer studied. Officers fired their weapons 507 times. What is far more common are nonlethal uses of force.

And in less extreme uses of force, Mr. Fryer found ample racial differences, which is in accord with the public’s perception and other studies.

 

Again, you libel him. Produce one instance of a bigoted remark. Otherwise, STFU.

I have the same first amendment rights as you. You see things from your point of view, that then allows me to have my own point of view. You may find it hard to believe, but your thoughts on things are not going to influence mine.

 

I have the same first amendment rights as you. You see things from your point of view, that then allows me to have my own point of view. You may find it hard to believe, but your thoughts on things are not going to influence mine.

You have no first amendment right to publish baseless allegations about another human being. This is called libel, and is criminalized in civilized societies.

Similarly, there is no first amendment right to copy someone else's work product (as @ronv has done) without attribution. This is called plagiarism. Further, to do so without the permission of the author is also criminalized as copyright infringement.

If this were my site, I'd have zero tolerance for either behavior, and such behavior would result in first a warning and request for retraction and apology, and second, a permanent ban.

The fact that you fail to realize the irrationality of your actions indicates you, like @ronv, are one not to be taken seriously. Therefore, you, like @ronv, are now on my ignore list.

 

@shortbus
Congratulations on making the list!

 

@nsaspook

Nice link.

What I find difficult in studies like this is the missing interaction of the police and the citizen prior to those actions?

They say "it takes two to tango." I'm not talking about the dance but the human interaction prior to the action being described.

 

This morning I watched an Interview with the women who was shot in Texas and covered her child, an officer came to her aid and asked is anyone shot. She said yes, then that officer, along with other officers shielded her as she had done for her child. These officer upheld their duty and stood in harms way, those officers should be publicly commended for their duty without fear and under direct obligation to a citizen.

Meanwhile, I will comment that the officer who shot the permitted individual for a traffic stop, his "fear" led him into (fear motivation) which is shoot first and ask questions later. It maybe the reason he will get off without penalty.

It wasn't totally racist? not sure. Rather more like another cop wearing a uniform, he shrinks the uniform down to fit a shivering body and then tries to wear it like armor. While, fearless officers who over come fear grow and fill the uniform that they have committed to serve.

kv

 

We can convict in the court of public opinion or we can allow due process to complete the investigation and present the facts.

Ex post facto, no matter if it were a microsecond or a minute after the fact is still Ex post facto.

I find it ironic that "black lives matter" doesn't complain about black on black murders.

 

We can convict in the court of public opinion or we can allow due process to complete the investigation and present the facts.

Ex post facto, no matter if it were a microsecond or a minute after the fact is still Ex post facto.

I find it ironic that "black lives matter" doesn't complain about black on black murders.

Once upon a time my wife worked at a treatment center and we came to know a crack addict named Michael. He was a drummer in Oakland and his friends chipped in and got him treatment. He once commented to me that his brothers were killing each other and the cops weren't doing anything to stop it. I ask him if they all weren't drug dealers. He allowed that maybe they were. Last I saw of Michael he was thinking marijuana would make him play drums better.

 

@#12
What got Castile killed was that the cop said don't move and Castile pulled his arm back into the car.

I'd like to see you try to hand me your drivers license with your hands outside the car. That would explain how to obey contradictory orders. And remember, if you can't do both at once, I get to shoot you.

 

I find it ironic that "black lives matter" doesn't complain about black on black murders.

I see it as S.O.P. for groups like that.

 

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/07/11/...e-asking-cops-to-do-too-much-in-this-country/

When asked what advice he would give black men, Chief Brown said, “Become a part of the solution, serve your community. Don’t be a part of the problem…we’re hiring. Get off that protest line and put an application in. We’ll put you in your neighborhood – we will help you resolve some of the problems you are protesting about.”

 

I see it as S.O.P. for groups like that.

What is S.O.P. ?

We can convict in the court of public opinion or we can allow due process to complete the investigation and present the facts.

Ex post facto, no matter if it were a microsecond or a minute after the fact is still Ex post facto.

I find it ironic that "black lives matter" doesn't complain about black on black murders.

My daughter wanted to know what my wife thought about "black lives matter" campaign. My daughter, with Danish and Swedish blood is as white as they come, my now wife is Black. My daughter said she thinks all lives matter and wanted to scold a women on Facebook for being white, middle class, racist who's studying criminal behavior.

I told her she is fighting a losing battle because this women's "ignorance" isn't just "White ignorance" is just ignorance and has no color, I told her you might be surprised at how many people support this women in her form of "freedom of speech" and you will be more angry than if you said nothing at all, when they attack you.

Sometimes it's best to not add to the "witches brew," neither black, white, yellow, brown, rich, poor, middle class. Sometimes actions are louder than words, and how we conduct ourselves or how we relate to others speaks volumes.

My wife agrees with my daughter, all lives matter until you lose your rights and act like the animals we are.

kv

 

What is S.O.P. ?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/standard operating procedure

http://goatlocker.org/resources/nav/navy_sop.htm