If the individual reaches toward the officers pistol

Yeah, I know that one. "Quit resisting! Quit resisting! He's grabbing for my gun!! I'm afeared for my life!! A sloppy drunk is about to kick the butt of a 30 year veteran!!!"

So, how does this 30 year veteran let a drunk get a grip on his pistol, and why is he wearing a holster that allows the pistol to be drawn from an awkward angle instead of the usual holster cops use?

Hundreds of posts about killing unarmed people in this Thread, a thousand people killed by the police every year, and there are still people jumping up to speculate on how these "heroes" lose control of a single, unarmed person after 30 years of experience.

 

You don't bring a club to a gun fight.

It has already been established that the dead guy was unarmed.

 

It has already been established that the dead guy was unarmed.

Did you witness the whole encounter? I didn't.

Where was all the "on scene" facebook "live" streams?

I'm still waiting on the investigation.

Yeah, I know that one. "Quit resisting! Quit resisting! He's grabbing for my gun!! I'm afeared for my life!! A sloppy drunk is about to kick the butt of a 30 year veteran!!!"

Are you postulating the hypothesis that the cop "feared" for his life? Does the cop lose their right to self-defense?

Have you seen the toxicology report that stated he was only drunk?

 

Does the cop lose their right to self-defense?

Why not? Travon Martin did.

 

Are you postulating the hypothesis that the cop "feared" for his life?

If he doesn't say he "feared for his life" the deeming authority has to charge him with killing an unarmed man.

I'm still waiting on the investigation.

Don't worry. The police will investigate themselves because this one has already been revealed in public. Officer Safety and Sargent Deem will get right on this.

 

Don't worry. The police will investigate themselves because this one has already been revealed in public. Officer Safety and Sargent Deem will get right on this.

Actually, the Mn BCA enjoys a (surprisingly) favorable reputation for objectivity where abuse of power by law enforcement is in evidence... --- Although their primary mission is (in essence) that of a 'State Bureau of Investigation' - they likewise function as a state-wide 'Internal Affairs Division', as it were...

FWIW I feel we can expect a comprehensive and honest investigation...

Best regards
HP

 

FWIW I feel we can expect a comprehensive and honest investigation...

Excellent! I look forward to learning why an unarmed High School Biology teacher couldn't be controlled by a 30 year police veteran with any amount of force less than shooting him several times.

 

Excellent! I look forward to learning why an unarmed High School Biology teacher couldn't be controlled by a 30 year police veteran with any amount of force less than shooting him several times.

I'll grant that, as reported, it certainly doesn't look good for the officer! -- But then, inasmuch as the media have demonstrated themselves, time and again, to be little more than purveyors of 'slanted gossip' - I feel a 'wait and see' approach to be judicious in such matters...

Best regards
HP

 

So, how does this 30 year veteran let a drunk get a grip on his pistol, and why is he wearing a holster that allows the pistol to be drawn from an awkward angle instead of the usual holster cops use?

Joe responded to me in another thread about a similar situation I had last summer with a local cop. Short version, the cop when getting out to walk to my car, unsnapped and partially drew his gun to loosen it for needed "use". If this is how most cops respond when approaching anyone, it explains why their guns can be grabbed or their fear that they can be. Something that never would be admitted to in a trial by the cop or the force.

This was in a small village of around 1000 people, and the closest thing to a shooting I can find online is a notice for flu shots. Not a crime hot bed.

 

unsnapped and partially drew his gun to loosen it for needed "use".

I see. Intentional compromise of the safety features leads to a conscious (or not so conscious) awareness of increased risk...caused entirely by the officer.

 

And joe told me, it could be department procedure. This, if true, could be a reason behind so many, "I feared for my life" cop shootings. Just a thought, cause I wasn't there.

 

I feel a 'wait and see' approach to be judicious in such matters...

"Wait and see" is how they do it in court (the formally judicious process), or should I say, the court the LEO probably won't see the inside of. What I'm talking about is the humanity of the situation. A well educated and well respected asset to the community is dead from gunshot wounds, and he didn't bring the gun (or any other weapon).

He could have been stricken with a case of momentary, "stupid". That happens to all of us. (Fortunately, it almost never happens in front of a LEO.) His death is still the loss of a valuable member of society, not a multiple felony gang-banger on a coke binge. I don't have to wait and see to discern that fact.

 

"Wait and see" is how they do it in court (the formally judicious process), or should I say, the court the LEO probably won't see the inside of. What I'm talking about is the humanity of the situation. A well educated and well respected asset to the community is dead from gunshot wounds, and he didn't bring the gun (or any other weapon).

He could have been stricken with a case of momentary, "stupid". That happens to all of us. (Fortunately, it almost never happens in front of a LEO.) His death is still the loss of a valuable member of society, not a multiple felony gang-banger on a coke binge. I don't have to wait and see to discern that fact.

IF Tuseth was indeed unarmed and IF said fact was (or should have been) evident to the officer AND there were no extenuating circumstances warranting deadly force -- Then I tend to agree with you (and without regard to Tuseth's 'value to the community')!-- Point being; I wouldn't credit the media were they to advise me that the sun is above the horizon at local noon -- Which is not to say I've taken sides! - Merely that I've insufficient data to make a call...

Hey @#12 - To be clear; Like you I have no patience whatever with rouge law enforcement! For instance, as far as I'm concerned, Eric Garner and Freddie Gray were murdered - 'negligently', perhaps but murdered all the same! The adjudication of the latter case casting light upon the cesspool that passes for the MD judiciary

Very best regards
HP

 

I have no patience whatever with rouge law enforcement!

I'm sure you meant to write, rogue ... right? I mean, why would law enforcement ever bother to wear makeup for professional purposes???

 

I'm sure you meant to write, rogue ... right? I mean, why would law enforcement ever bother to wear makeup for professional purposes???

Seems my spelling is a tad rusty

TTFN
HP

 

This, if true, could be a reason behind so many, "I feared for my life" cop shootings.

This gives me a headache. "I feared for my life because of a gun, and I'm the only person who brought a gun." It works the same for, "because he had a cell phone in his hand, because he had nothing in his hand, because he pointed his finger at me, because I didn't know if there were any guns present except mine, because he 'walked with a purpose', because he walked toward me, because he walked away from me, because the video shows him walking away, but he actually 'lunged' at me, because he was running away from me, because he wasn't 'complying' fast enough to suit me, because he reached for his identification (as I instructed him to do), he reached for his waist band, he tried to pull his pants up....

After all the excuses I've heard, it seems the safest way to interact with a police officer is to fall face first on the ground and spread your arms out, palms up, ankles crossed, and offer to lick his boots...and you can still get shot in the back.

 

Why not? Travon Martin did.

When did he lose the right of self defense? Wasn't his case adjudicated? Oh yeah, it was.

 

A well educated and well respected asset to the community is dead from gunshot wounds, ...

I can not comment on him being well respected or an asset to the community. Those facts are not in evidence.

If he was inebriated, one could say he was a bad example to the community, as well as a loss of respect.

With today's society, I can see the anti-drunkenness crowd getting riled up. ARI (alcohol related incident) can be tough on some careers.

 

When did he lose the right of self defense? Wasn't his case adjudicated? Oh yeah, it was.

No what was adjudicated was Zimmerman's right for standing his ground. Martin had no right because he was a minor? Martin had the same right. Would you let someone push you around when you were going to your home minding your own business? This, the adjudication of the case, was a clear failure on the prosecution being too over confident in it's self and the feelings of the community.

 

No what was adjudicated was Zimmerman's right for standing his ground. Martin had no right because he was a minor? Martin had the same right. Would you let someone push you around when you were going to your home minding your own business? This, the adjudication of the case, was a clear failure on the prosecution being too over confident in it's self and the feelings of the community.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...trayvon-martins-death/?utm_term=.612b6a71cf4b

As a legal matter, Zimmerman’s attorney did not raise a “stand your ground” defense at the trial. But after the trial a juror acknowledged that jurors had discussed the self-defense law before finding Zimmerman not guilty. The law also changed the standard instructions to jurors in homicide cases, so that the judge said that Zimmerman had no duty to retreat and could stand his ground if he felt threatened. (The law may have also played a role in the initial failure of the local police to prosecute Zimmerman.)

But while that might have been a factor in the not-guilty verdict, even though it was not raised as a defense, that does not mean the law caused the killing, as the ad asserts. The actual cause relates to Zimmerman’s state of mind at the time of the shooting, including whether he aspired to become a law enforcement officer and whether he had engaged in racial profiling because of Martin’s race and even his attire (a “hoodie’). But those questions may never be satisfactorily answered.