The war on cops, another chapter

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GopherT

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Did I already post this?
Proper procedure for a medical emergency in Oklahoma is to beat you with clubs.
https://photographyisnotacrime.com/...-and-handcuff-him-for-having-medical-episode/

Oklahoma Highway Patrol officers defended the actions of the officers, saying just because a man is having a medical episode is no excuse for him not to comply with the orders of police.
"The troopers did everything by the book."
I'm surprised they sacrificed their tactical advantage of space and time by getting within club-swinging range. I think they should ask police in other more highly developed cities for advice.
 

nsaspook

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I'm surprised they sacrificed their tactical advantage of space and time by getting within club-swinging range. I think they should ask police in other more highly developed cities for advice.
Not really, they took the risk because the guy was impaired. They still had a distinct tactical advantage over a drunk or a poor man having a medical emergency on the passenger seat.:( The lack of empathy and criminal objectification of the mans lack of response to commands is sickening. If that's by 'the book' then 'the book' needs to be burned.
 

nsaspook

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-oklahoma-police-pcp-system-article-1.2827088
Blood tests revealed Crutcher had taken both PCP and TCP, which are known for their intense highs. Medical examiners, using the full name for PCP, said Crutcher had "acute phencyclidine intoxication" at the time of his death.

"PCP use often causes a user to feel detached, distant and estranged from his surroundings," according to a fact sheet from the Drug Enforcement Administration. "Auditory hallucinations and severe mood disorders can occur. In some users, acute anxiety, paranoia and hostility, as well as psychosis can occur."
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The toxicology test results are "unfortunate," said an attorney for Crutcher's family, Damario Solomon-Simmons. He called the shooting of Crutcher by Shelby "without provocation and justification" the most pertinent aspect of the case.
 

cmartinez

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"Auditory hallucinations and severe mood disorders can occur. In some users, acute anxiety, paranoia and hostility, as well as psychosis can occur."
Good Lord .... people are supposed to take drugs because it makes them feel good! ... why the hell are they ingesting this venom for anyway?
 

nsaspook

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Good Lord .... people are supposed to take drugs because it makes them feel good! ... why the hell are they ingesting this venom for anyway?
It was only for medicinal purposes I'm sure. If you're crazy and stupid it makes ya crazier & stupider.
"PCP is the only drug I'll never touch again" -Hunter S. Thompson.

It won't automatically let the cop off the hook but it gives her defense a much better case to explain a reasonable basis for her fear.

 
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#12

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a reasonable basis for her fear.
Another video that doesn't tell the whole story. The only disarray in that video was a couple of empty food trays on the floor by the trash can. The customers weren't backed up in a corner screaming. They apparently didn't notice the "Hulked out" behavior. So the officer is "afraid" of the unarmed person lacking shirt and shoes (and service) and who makes no move against her.

Nobody in the place is afraid except the LEOs.
(I don't see any female cops, unless she is one of them with a shaved head.)
 

nsaspook

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Full video....
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...pper-sprayed-and-police-say-it-had-no-effect/
“He got everything he deserved,” one McDonalds patron can be heard saying in the video.

Another woman is heard saying, “and then they blame the police when they do not obey” as she criticized those who were taking photos of altercation.

The police were very nice to that nut. They were not afraid, they were just doing their job without being hurt on the job by a loser on PCP.
 
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wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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The police were very nice to that nut. They were not afraid, they were just doing their job without being hurt on the job by a loser on PCP.
Ditto. They showed more patience than most people. After the first flying tackle, I thought it would be over.
 

tranzz4md

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Full video....
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...pper-sprayed-and-police-say-it-had-no-effect/



The police were very nice to that nut. They were not afraid, they were just doing their job without being hurt on the job by a loser on PCP.
No, they didn't do their job in the video. He went down how many times? Never did either one of them jump on him and do the cuffs. What a joke! Hilarious watching 2 able-bodied armed men being stared-down and spooked back by a little wimp. Did you see that lame reach to cuff him on the curb? The cop looked like he was picking up a dirty Kleenex! A fire hose would have handled the guy or water cannon or whatever, but the patrolman is what we use to provide that physical force. Those cops didn't want to get dirty, they kept fudging toward the easier, cleaner (for them) choices, instead of jumping in and getting the job done. They coulda grabbed a bag from anywhere, if they weren't carrying one, and put it over his head to keep themselves cleaner and remain unbitten, but somebody needed to jump on the guy and tie him up, and haul him away.
 

tranzz4md

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The war is on cops that chose that profession, but don't do, or want to do the whole job. I sure wouldn't want to be one, but that doesn't mean anybody can say "well you wouldn't do that" as an excuse. De-escalation is their #1 priority, and if they're not able, not up to it, get back in the car, call backup, and go home sick. Then get professional help. And if it happens again, look for a different job. That's all. If a woman goes for that job, and finds herself unable to de-escalate and maintain control, without inappropriate (let alone lethal) force, she needs to leave that profession. She should just get back into the car, and let a more capable officer handle it. The gender (identify) of the officer makes no difference. The ability and judgment do.

Letting Police departments pay damages for injuries to offenders has led us to this place however. Officers are taught "shoot to kill", and they find themselves at the avalanche point too quickly. Sometimes shooting somebody through the foot or shoulder is what would save both lives, and de-escalate/diffuse the situation, but it really is cheaper to kill. Courts have put us in this place.
 

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wayneh

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That last one is misleading. It could be/would be/is true even if they only make good shoots. It's not Americans that are the targets. It's scumbags that mostly deserve it. My odds of being killed by the police are vanishingly low.
 

dannyf

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De-escalation is their #1 priority, and if they're not able, not up to it, get back in the car, call backup, and go home sick.
I hope you will be as understanding when officers walk away from your house in order to "de-escalate" a thug pointing a gun at your head?
 

Sinus23

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That last one is misleading. It could be/would be/is true even if they only make good shoots. It's not Americans that are the targets. It's scumbags that mostly deserve it. My odds of being killed by the police are vanishingly low.
Good to know. On another note, where is the circuit breaker that I need to trip to shut off the sarcasm?;) It has almost started to affect my family and friends.:D
 

tranzz4md

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Says who? It's "serve and protect", and go home at the end of the day. The way you accomplish all those things is to seize a monopoly on violence. The motto on the car doesn't say "De-escalate".
The motto on the car says "Seize a monopoly on violence" in your town huh. That's the fun part of getting a pot stirring like this. I won't make the common mistake of judging your technical posts by your social one, but your logic and conclusions may have been impacted, at least to some.
 

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wayneh

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The motto on the car says "Seize a monopoly on violence" in your town huh. That's the fun part of getting a pot stirring like this. I won't make the common mistake of judging your technical posts by your social one, but your logic and conclusions may have been impacted, at least to some.
I don't even know what point you're trying to make. Do you believe the cops have some secret priority list we don't know about?

My local police has the following public mission statement. Note is does not include the word "de-escalate":

The mission of the ... Police Department is to ensure the protection of persons and property, maintain peaceful order, and create a level of safety and service which instills pride for all whom reside within the community. The Roscoe Police Department will strive to maintain a workforce, which without bias; will act with honesty, courage, integrity, and equality towards all. The ... Police Department is committed to working with our schools, businesses, and citizens in an effort to address and eliminate any and all criminal activity, dangers to person or property, or public nuisance. The ... Police Department exists to protect and serve its community.​
 
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