My greatest fear of fire was shown in this film they made all of us watch in Fleet firefighting school. I've been in two main space engine fires and one storage space fire that came close to sinking the ship on the rust-bucket I was on. Part of the problem with kids today poo pooing how fast fire spreads is that things really are much safer but that's only because of strict enforcement of codes in most new construction homes and commercial buildings.

 

My greatest fear of fire was shown in this film they made all of us watch in Fleet firefighting school. I've been in two main space engine fires and one storage space fire that came close to sinking the ship on the rust-bucket I was on. Part of the problem with kids today poo pooing how fast fire spreads is that things really are much safer but that's only because of strict enforcement of codes in most new construction homes and commercial buildings.

The nice thing about the NFPA video is that they tell the air temp above the fire. As soon as the air reaches the depolymerization temp of latex paint (an acrylic polymer), the room just turns to a fireball. just because it looks like a flame is in the right side of the couch doesn't mean the air cool enough to breath and the fire doesn't slowly migrate across the room. At some point, the fire just engulfs the room as the fuel sources vaporize.

 

I saw that film in boot camp in 1972. About eight years ago, I saw someone with a Forrestal ball cap. I looked at him and said, you know what question I'm going to ask ... he said yeah, I was assigned about six months after the fire.

Here is the documentary film:

 

Yeah, fire is a bastard. I'd rather fight a terrorist than fight an out of control fire. The cities that have let these death traps slide in the hope to revitalize old neighborhoods with new blood now have a ticking time-bomb on their hands waiting to kill scores of people.
http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/12/07/vacant-buildings-oakland-fire/

It’s a grim situation that could easily have happened in Philadelphia, home to roughly 25,000 vacant buildings and 330 “imminently dangerous” building violations, on top of about 5,000 “unsafe” building violations. Karen Guss, a spokesperson for L&I, said officials are particularly concerned about “pop-up nightclubs” held illegally (without a specially assembly occupancy license) in Philly’s vacant buildings.

Guss said that in the last three years, L&I has uncovered about eight buildings that were converted into “some sort of studio or party space.” L&I is “pretty aggressive” in targeting such buildings, Guss said, because “even though there is a pretty low incidence of things going on, when they do, it can be so catastrophic.”

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/222162796-story

OAKLAND, Calif. (KTVU) - Authorities announced Wednesday, the search of the Oakland warehouse where a deadly fire occurred Friday night has been completed. No additional victims were located.

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/arts/visu...arts-groups-complaints-fire-marshal-crackdown

Back in the heat of August, more than 60 owners of Dallas-based art galleries gathered at the J. Erik Jonsson Central Library, and boy, were they mad. The target of their collective rage? Deputy Fire Chief and Fire Marshal Christopher Martinez, who had initiated what many called an unjust crackdown on code violations.
...
A raging fire last Friday night in an Oakland, Calif., warehouse has now claimed 36 lives. Could it be that the fire marshal was the target of unjustified criticism? Deep Ellum and the Dallas Design District are full of warehouse-like buildings that eerily resemble the one in Oakland.
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Valderas says that Kirk Hopper Fine Art now has a good relationship with the fire marshal, who he believes should take a close look at Dallas warehouse spaces.

"Some of them can be dangerous," Valderas says. "My priority is always people's safety."

Jennifer Scripps, director of the city's Office of Cultural Affairs, recognizes the fire marshal as someone "who takes his job so seriously." The grim situation in Oakland offers "an object lesson in what can happen" when people are not observing the rules, she says.

http://ktla.com/2016/12/07/l-a-plans-crackdown-on-unsafe-warehouses-in-wake-of-oakland-tragedy/

I like that the Dallas Fire Marshal was starting to act on this problem before the big fire. Now that the 'arts' community understands the danger in the worst possible manner they really need to work to solve this problem instead of trying to hide in a underground network of 'safe' spaces.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/music...es-struggle-to-survive-city-crackdown-8000794

The location of the party is top secret. There are no fliers, no public advertisements, not even an address for those who have been invited. There is only a private group on Facebook, and a message: “WE ARE THE UNDERGROUND. WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER. IN THE SHADOWS WE ARE FREE."

Virtually every other after-hours dance party for the past month, starting with a series of busts on New Year's Eve, has been shut down by the fire marshal, in many cases before the party had even started. The organizers of tonight's gathering, called Electro Resistance, have taken steps that seem lifted from a spy novel to ensure that this one will happen.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/08/us/oakland-fire-chief-ghost-ship-warehouse/index.html

City council would not approve funding for a fire Marshall for several years.

Fire chief appointed herself fire Marshall because the job cannot be vacant by state law.

Union leader claims no valid fire Marshall to keep inspection database accurate and inspection schedule.

Current fire Marshall still getting caught up from long vacancy. Mostly in reactionary mode (complaints), not inspecting building not in database, not checking if database includes all buildings (abandon and occupied).

 

The city council took a calculated risk and used the money elsewhere, then they rolled snake eyes and lost big time.

http://openbudgetoakland.org/2012-2013-sankey.html

 

The city council took a calculated risk and used the money elsewhere, then they rolled snake eyes and lost big time.

http://openbudgetoakland.org/2012-2013-sankey.html

Where are fire and police department funding on that page?

 

This should give some additional information.
http://openbudgetoakland.org/2013-2015-adopted-budget-flow.html

Datasets: http://data.openoakland.org/dataset

 

so no smoking gun of headcount slashing. Just the slow burn of, "we have pressures to cap taxes, can we postpone filling that job for a while?" until the inevitable bites them in the ass.

 

This is in the news here in Denver. No doubt prompted by the tragedy in Oakland.

http://www.denverite.com/surprise-i...lis-following-oaklands-ghost-ship-fire-24619/

 

This is in the news here in Denver. No doubt prompted by the tragedy in Oakland.

http://www.denverite.com/surprise-i...lis-following-oaklands-ghost-ship-fire-24619/

They don't think it's right to be removed because of numerous serious fire code violations? Show them some of the photos of the 36 dead and make them talk to the parents, friends and loved ones of the dead for a reality check. Too many cities have been too nice to these artists. There are somethings that should not be compromised to foster music and arts. Try explaining to the Fire Marshal how workers need to live in storage warehouses in manufacturing. These people think they are special but they burn to ash like a lump of wood with everyone else. We had a word for these unfortunate souls: screaming alpha

 

They don't think it's right to be removed because of numerous serious fire code violations? Show them some of the photos of the 36 dead and make them talk to the parents, friends and loved ones of the dead for a reality check. Too many cities have been too nice to these artists. There are somethings that should not be compromised to foster music and arts. Try explaining to the Fire Marshal how workers need to live in storage warehouses in manufacturing. These people think they are special but they burn to ash like a lump of wood with everyone else. We had a word for these unfortunate souls: screaming alpha

The same mentality was true for smokers, people who drive drunk, unsafe sexual practices, and the whole heroine issue. That risk of dying for a lifestyle has been around a long time.

 

They don't think it's right to be removed because of numerous serious fire code violations? Show them some of the photos of the 36 dead and make them talk to the parents, friends and loved ones of the dead for a reality check. Too many cities have been too nice to these artists. There are somethings that should not be compromised to foster music and arts. Try explaining to the Fire Marshal how workers need to live in storage warehouses in manufacturing. These people think they are special but they burn to ash like a lump of wood with everyone else. We had a word for these unfortunate souls: screaming alpha

I find this a bit funny in a morbid way because the people who live in fire hazardous houses among other hazards here, are people that small companies own to house the immigrants that work for them .

Not a snowflake in sight only money, money, money!

 

Before confusion arises. They own the housing. They just pimp the people until the people sees the light

Oh and the rent for living in those hellholes...

Edit: I guess keeping people ignorant doesn't make them blissful when they find out the truth

 

Before confusion arises. They own the housing. They just pimp the people until the people sees the light

Oh and the rent for living in those hellholes...

Sounds like the US in the late 1800's and into the rise of labor unions. Was called "company housing". And they also used a "company store" in some industries. People that worked for the company were paid in "script" not real money, and the only place it was spendable was company stores and housing. Make America Great Again!

 

Sounds like the US in the late 1800's and into the rise of labor unions. Was called "company housing". And they also used a "company store" in some industries. People that worked for the company were paid in "script" not real money, and the only place it was spendable was company stores and housing. Make America Great Again!

Here is the original version, by the song writer, Merle Travis (1947), sixteen Tons. Includes a nice explanation of script in the prelude. Excellent recording quality.

 

Sounds like the US in the late 1800's and into the rise of labor unions. Was called "company housing". And they also used a "company store" in some industries. People that worked for the company were paid in "script" not real money, and the only place it was spendable was company stores and housing. Make America Great Again!

The difference now is their fellow artists are the company men and slumlord with the poor artists as their labor. It's $600-$700 per month for a corner in a fire trap with 'events' some days to bring in outsiders for money.

 

Sounds like the US in the late 1800's and into the rise of labor unions. Was called "company housing". And they also used a "company store" in some industries. People that worked for the company were paid in "script" not real money, and the only place it was spendable was company stores and housing. Make America Great Again!

Sounds very similar the only difference is that the foreign workers here were exploited like that early 2000. When it became news the majority of the population was outraged and since then it has gotten better though exceptions can still be found...

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/u...ng-inspections-and-the-neighborhood.html?_r=0

According to several officials who know the department well, Oakland went more than three years without a fire marshal. Records also show that the department remains understaffed, even though the city has budgeted for empty positions to be filled. A city report from October showed that while the Oakland Police Department had only two vacancies, the Fire Department had 63.

Asked about the vacancies, Ms. Deloach Reed said at a news conference that when she took over the department, she realized that the Fire Prevention Bureau “needed better oversight and supervision.” But she did not explain why dozens of jobs remained unfilled.