Yep. Catholicism was probably the devil's most successful invention for turning people against God.

That and many more.
The devil made a promise that he will lead the humans ashtray.
And that we will worship him instead of God.

All I see is that he (Devil) is a Jinn of his words.
He created Idol worship.

Already did... several times... and I didn't like it. But I'd rather not get into that discussion here.

I agree that discussion cannot be continued but I indeed am curious to what you have read.
And you know what @cmartinez you are the only one who said you have read it ( what ever it was ) and I thank you for your honesty. I just hope for a chance to clear your confusion.

 

To those of us who consider themselves Christians, life is sacred and is a tribute to God. And we have the duty and obligation to protect it, even though we know that it will eventually end in the material sense of the word.

You may want to read this, it pretty much explains what I have been told by the Muslims I have as friends. They are originally from Lebanon, so it may not be the way all see it but it will be very close I think. Maybe @R!f@@ will look and comment too.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/1023_031023_jihad.html

 

You may want to read this, it pretty much explains what I have been told by the Muslims I have as friends. They are originally from Lebanon, so it may not be the way all see it but it will be very close I think. Maybe @R!f@@ will look and comment too.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/1023_031023_jihad.html

"It's categorically mentioned, in clear Arabic language, that you only fight those who fight," Hathout continued. "You don't harm civilians, children, or even infrastructure.

Seems it's not just us poor non-believers who haven't read the Koran.

 

Sorry, guys. I have a hard time trusting members of a religious cult who profess "lying is permitted in order to deceive an 'enemy,'" where infidels are the enemy.

 

@shortbus & @joeyd999

I took a glance at your links. I am at work right now. I will read it at home and will get back to you.
But even a glance at @joeyd999 showed a Muslim can lie. I think it is so called white lie and it Quran reference. I will read them and tell you my view.
But I'll tell you one thing regarding lies.
Muslims are not allowed to lie, I do not care who says otherwise. And they are not to deceive others.
Whether it should be for a good reason whatever that may be, We are not allowed to lie. Lying is the root of all evil. It begins with just one lie. We have a saying. If you lie once, you need to make another 1000 to cover up the first.

I do not want you to trust me. I want to earn your trust. So far I have not done anything to deceive any one here.
We are supposed to make friends and be friendly to non-believers. When I say you are my friend, I mean it.
It's hypocritical to say one thing and to do another.
I am not a hypocrite.
If I don't like anything regarding any one of you, I will say it openly and say it to your face.

PS. Infidels are not our enemies.

 

@shortbus & @joeyd999

I took a glance at your links. I am at work right now. I will read it at home and will get back to you.
But even a glance at @joeyd999 showed a Muslim can lie. I think it is so called white lie and it Quran reference. I will read them and tell you my view.
But I'll tell you one thing regarding lies.
Muslims are not allowed to lie, I do not care who says otherwise. And they are not to deceive others.
Whether it should be for a good reason whatever that may be, We are not allowed to lie. Lying is the root of all evil. It begins with just one lie. We have a saying. If you lie once, you need to make another 1000 to cover up the first.

I do not want you to trust me. I want to earn your trust. So far I have not done anything to deceive any one here.
We are supposed to make friends and be friendly to non-believers. When I say you are my friend, I mean it.
It's hypocritical to say one thing and to do another.
I am not a hypocrite.
If I don't like anything regarding any one of you, I will say it openly and say it to your face.

PS. Infidels are not our enemies.

Say anything you want -- it won't matter. I have reason to distrust Islam -- and its adherents. Reality is.

 

Wow @joeyd999
You don't see the attacks on Mosques as such.
What kind of Muslim attacks another Muslim.
Every Religion has Extremists. They do not represent the Religion.
It's very Sad that you Judge an entire Religion based on the action of the few. Why don't you say you don't trust the human race. After all we are all humans.
Like to ask, is it because of these things that you are an Atheist ?

 

@shortbus & @joeyd999
PS. Infidels are not our enemies.

Let separate out the West and Infidels so we can look at M vs M terror at bit.

Some Muslims hate US policies and that hate fuels terrorism. But it does not follow that Islamic terrorism itself can be explained solely or primarily by hate of US policies. Most terror acts are rooted in local geopolitics not international policies. Religion plays a uniting factor but it's not the root motivating factor usually.

• On February 16, ISIS claimed responsibility for a car bomb in southwestern Baghdad that killed 51 people and wounded at least as many others.

• On February 4, two suicide car bombs killed 53 people in the Syrian village of Susiyan and another eight a few hours later.

• On December 31, 2016, at least 28 people were killed and 50 were wounded in a double bombing in Baghdad.

• On November 24, at least 80 people, many of them Shiite pilgrims on their way home to Iran, were killed when an ISIS suicide bomber detonated a truck filled with explosives at a roadside service station in southern Iraq.

• On September 10, 12 people were killed and more than 40 wounded in two suicide bombings at a shopping mall in Baghdad.

• On August 22, more than 50 people were killed and scores more wounded in a suicide attack at a wedding ceremony in Turkey’s southeastern province of Gaziantep, near the Syrian border.

• On July 14, a suicide truck bomb ripped through a busy shopping district in Baghdad, killing more than 200, including at least 25 children and 20 women.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/06/al-qaida-kabul-attack-shia-pilgrims

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/16/sixty-eight-children-dead-suicide-bombing-syria

'Sixty-eight children among dead' of suicide bombing attack in Syria

 

Wow @joeyd999
You don't see the attacks on Mosques as such.
What kind of Muslim attacks another Muslim.
Every Religion has Extremists. They do not represent the Religion.
It's very Sad that you Judge an entire Religion based on the action of the few. Why don't you say you don't trust the human race. After all we are all humans.
Like to ask, is it because of these things that you are an Atheist ?

I recognize a trend when I see it. I refuse to ignore reality.

Edit: your beef is with your fellow radicalized Muslims -- not with me.

If you do not want me to feel the way I do, then gather your non-terrorist friends together and remove the terrorists from your religion.

Oh -- and ending the subjugation of women and the murder of Christians and Jews might go a ways to improving your reputation as well.

Edit 2: And! It's not like this is some relatively new problem!

 

Let separate out the West and Infidels so we can look at M vs M terror at bit.

Some Muslims hate US policies and that hate fuels terrorism. But it does not follow that Islamic terrorism itself can be explained solely or primarily by hate of US policies. Most terror acts are rooted in local geopolitics not international policies. Religion plays a uniting factor but it's not the root motivating factor usually.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/06/al-qaida-kabul-attack-shia-pilgrims

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/16/sixty-eight-children-dead-suicide-bombing-syria

'Sixty-eight children among dead' of suicide bombing attack in Syria

What's that old saying?

 

I recognize a trend when I see it. I refuse to ignore reality.

The fear is well founded and rational because they are far too many MUSLIMS who want to kill in the NAME OF ISLAM. This fact does not invalidate the fact that Islam is as a whole peaceful. It's not mutually exclusive for both facts to be true.

 

What's that old saying?
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That's only true with criminal activity. There are rules in both endeavors as plenty of people have found out after breaking the rules.

 

Edit: your beef is with your fellow radicalized Muslims -- not with me.

If you do not want me to feel the way I do, then gather your non-terrorist friends together and remove the terrorists from your religion.

I am sorry but I do not have beef with any one of you or you @joeyd999
But you might be right that I might have a beef with my countries so called Muslims.
And I how really wish to remove the terrorists from my Religion.

Oh -- and ending the subjugation of women and the murder of Christians and Jews might go a ways to improving your reputation as well.

I am sorry but that is not me. I don't have intention of killing any one.
What do you mean by my "reputation" ?

Edit 2: And! It's not like this is some relatively new problem!

And wiki is so true !

 

That's only true with criminal activity. There are rules in both endeavors as plenty of people have found out after breaking the rules.

Really?
War or terrorism?

Only the methods are different.

 

What do you mean by my "reputation"

Most humble apologies. I did not intend to personalize my post.

 

Really?
War or terrorism?
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Only the methods are different.

That's an intellectually bogus response and you know it. How many US servicemen have strapped on a explosive vest and committed suicide in a bus filled with children because of a military operational plan?

 

Most humble apologies. I did not intend to personalize my post.

That's who I want to be friends with.
Apology Accepted

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/1023_031023_jihad.html

That covers most of it.
I guess people who misunderstand Jihad finds it read it to understand it.

Seems it's not just us poor non-believers who haven't read the Koran.

Believers understand all too well to twist to suite their Agenda
But you might be right.
Our so called Muslims cannot even read the Quran, yet they try to use it for their personal desire.

 

That's an intellectually bogus response and you know it. How many US servicemen have strapped on a explosive vest and committed suicide in a bus filled with children because of a military operational plan?

Does it really matter how you kill that bus full of children. I think not.
In war you do the best you can with what you got.
It's called asymmetrical warfare.
You don't have to like it, and I don't, but from their point of view it's all they got.

 

Does it really matter how you kill that bus full of children. I think not.

From intellectually bogus to intellectually dishonest. You think not, I think you playeth a sick game.

Yes, it does matter, it matter a lot about your intentions even if the same horrible result happens.

 

From intellectually bogus to intellectually dishonest. You think not, I think you playeth a sick game.

Yes, it does matter, it matter a lot about your intentions even if the same horrible result happens.

Not to take the side of a terrorist, but do you think they wake up on Monday morning and think - gee, wouldn't it be fun to go kill myself in a group of people.
My bet is it's more like if I do this maybe they will stop killing us with those big bombs.
Edit:

Much of the 2012–2017 Syrian civil war has been fought asymmetrically. The Syrian National Coalition along with the Mujahideen and Kurdish Democratic Union Party, have been engaging with the forces of the Syrian government through asymmetric means. The conflict has seen large-scale asymmetric warfare across the country, with the forces opposed to the government unable to engage symmetrically with the Syrian government and have to resort to other asymmetric tactics such as suicide bombings[26][27] and targeted assassinations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare