My bet is it's more like if I do this maybe they will stop killing us with those big bombs.

Maybe they will stop killing us with those big bombs so we can enslave the population, rob, steal, behead and have our sex slaves in peace.

 

Say anything you want -- it won't matter. I have reason to distrust Islam -- and its adherents. Reality is.

@joeyd999
WTF ? I am speechless. That whole site is BS and contradicts what I believe in. We are not, I repeat not allowed to lie to gain trust or to justify killing
Is that what you think is the truth.
Every thing is out of context and like all of them are lies.
You have every reason to believe what you believe in if you believe that.

That site is selling lies.

I will take just one example from that site.

Quran (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

The linked meaning "Quran (3:54) "

54. And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill 'Iesa (Jesus)], and Allah planned too. And Allah is the Best of the planners.

What I have. And it's the same meaning

54. And they (i.e the disbelievers) planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the Best of the planners.

Extra is added in the link (not in the meaning).
From what I see it, who ever it was (Arthur), is trying to Mislead the readers. ( It is out of context ) The Verse is about Jesus (PBUH) and how the disbelieving people of his time planned to kill him and it is not a lesson for any Muslim to scheme or plan anything against a non-believer.
Arthur says plot mean deceit.
Arabic meanings can be used with different meanings and that does not mean it has to be used out of context.

noun: plot; plural noun: plots
....a plan made in secret by a group of people to do something illegal or harmful.
noun: deceit; plural noun: deceits
.....the action or practice of deceiving someone by concealing or misrepresenting the truth.

it is clear here than Arabic word "makara" means plot here and not deceit.

OK... So the disbelievers at the time of Jesus (PBUH) planned to Kill him. It said when they plan to kill Jesus (PBUH) , Allah planned too, not to deceit them but to save Jesus (PBUH)., And Allah is the best of planners. That's it.
There is a part that comes before and after that continues and is told so we will know what happened at those times.

Does that really mean Muslims are allowed to plan to kill any one. I don't think so.

OK so Arthur says "If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers"
This is what the Arthur thinks, so he is trying to make you think the same.

Arthur says "then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same"
What basis is there ? Is it that we are allowed to do the same. Nope, we are not.

We are not the best in planning anythings, so how can we plan when we dunno jack about the future.

If this is what you believe is true, I really dunno what to say.

 

Maybe they will stop killing us with those big bombs so we can enslave the population, rob, steal, behead and have our sex slaves in peace.

You must like the Saudi's

 

Maybe they will stop killing us with those big bombs so we can enslave the population, rob, steal, behead and have our sex slaves in peace.

Somebody made us the morality police?
I think you forgot what war spawned ISIS.

 

Only in America.

 

My bet is it's more like if I do this maybe they will stop killing us with those big bombs

I think they're thinking more in terms of personal revenge against a society they feel has been unfair to them.

 

Somebody made us the morality police?
I think you forgot what war spawned ISIS.

We didn't care much about the JV team until they started chopping American heads. I wasn't for the Syria or Libya or the GWII interventions. Assad, Gaddafi and Hussein are/were not our problems.

 

I think they're thinking more in terms of personal revenge against a society they feel has been unfair to them.

Sure, for example in Syria that started out as Assaud quelling the unrest (with bombs), then joined with the oppressed Sunnis in Iraq and the boys in Libia that we saved from Qaddafi. My point is not that I like it. The point is, it is the best way they can find to fight a superior opponent, not because they just want to be killers. And to be honest, it's working for them to some extent.

 

Sure, for example in Syria that started out as Assaud quelling the unrest (with bombs), then joined with the oppressed Sunnis in Iraq and the boys in Libia that we saved from Qaddafi. My point is not that I like it. The point is, it is the best way they can find to fight a superior opponent, not because they just want to be killers. And to be honest, it's working for them to some extent.

Unfortunately, the rules of engagement of arab countries are completely different from those of the west. But I see your point, stealth and trickery are the only strategies they have left against a much more powerful enemy. But they seem to have made enemies everywhere.

 

We didn't care much about the JV team until they started chopping American heads. I wasn't for the Syria or Libya or the GWII interventions. Assad, Gaddafi and Hussein are/were not our problems.

Well, maybe it will all be over in another 10 or 15 years and a few trillion more.
Pisses me off we didn't learn anything from the Russians in Afghanistan.

 

Well, maybe it will all be over in another 10 or 15 years and a few trillion more.
Pisses me off we didn't learn anything from the Russians in Afghanistan.

Nor from the Brits in Afghanistan either... there's a big difference between battling a government, and battling a population.

 

Unfortunately, the rules of engagement of arab countries are completely different from those of the west. But I see your point, stealth and trickery are the only strategies they have left against a much more powerful enemy. But they seem to have made enemies everywhere.

The rules of engagement don't apply to terrorist.
This is not a terrorist attack but they are suicide attacks within the rules of war because they are aimed at military targets.

 

they are aimed at military targets.

and that's the main difference in strategy ... military battles are historically respected and even admired on both sides of a conflict, but going after civilians only fans the flames of hatred, and things become a never-ending spiral of death...

 

The rules of engagement don't apply to terrorist.
This is not a terrorist attack but they are suicide attacks within the rules of war because they are aimed at military targets.

How about this one?

Nagasaki had no military units and, of the total 140,000 deaths there, only about 150 were military. In total, over 95 per cent of the combined casualties of the two cities were civilian.

I should add. I would have dropped them to. The point is we ain't as clean as you would like us to believe.

 

If this is what you believe is true, I really dunno what to say

Welcome to joeys world. If he isn't made "king" he'll never be happy. You're wasting your time trying to change his mind or to get him to understand.

I have been told that most of the "infidels" that are mentioned in English translations, are not the real meaning of the Arab word. The real meaning is more accurately, "idol worshipers" not "unbelievers". Is this correct?

 

I should add. I would have dropped them to. The point is we ain't as clean as you would like us to believe

And that goes back to the founding of America. They displaced the Indians to somewhere that was 'unusable' to white men, then they found gold and other "usable" minerals and then took that land too.

 

How about this one?

I should add. I would have dropped them to. The point is we ain't as clean as you would like us to believe.

It was very clear, they started the war and we finished it by destroying their manufacturing capacity. Very clean and simple. Kokura was the initial target but Nagasaki was a major shipbuilding city and a large military port that had been bombed before. I've taken the train past Nagasaki before to Sasebo. It was and still is a giant industrial area.

 

And that goes back to the founding of America. They displaced the Indians to somewhere that was 'unusable' to white men, then they found gold and other "usable" minerals and then took that land too.

That goes back to the story of all mankind... there's no civilization nowadays that could boast having clean hands...

 

That goes back to the story of all mankind... there's no civilization nowadays that could boast having clean hands...

Inter-tribal warfare on the Plains of American was going on long before any Mayflower landed.

 

Inter-tribal warfare on the Plains of American was going on long before any Mayflower landed.

There was even a horrible conflict between the northern american natives and the Inuits!