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tcmtech

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What a sad thing his last name is "Christian"...
I see no relevance to anyone's name relating to anything they may do at this point in life.

I knew a mathematic professor whose last name was 'Goodman 'yet he and his student murdering brother were all around terrible people. Both failed miserably at basic psychological testing when questioned on how some student got stabbed to death over something stupid. Not 'good men' by any stretch of their namesakes.

I also have a good friend whose last name is 'Carpenter' yet despite having a small fortune in woodworking tools couldn't put two boards together streight to save his life.
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
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couldn't make it past first 2 minutes.

here are a few facts about Russia's involvement: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/27/10-myths-about-afghanistan#comments

and a better overview http://wideshut.co.uk/soviet-afghan-war-cia-muslim-rebels/

so, it seems only fitting that US should embrace radical Islam that it has supported for so long, no?

terracts in Russia -

2002 - Moscow. A Theater. Almost 1000 taken hostage. Between 130-170 dead, depends on report. Also due to botched rescue operation.

2004 Beslan school 1100 hostages, almost 400 dead (largely due to botched rescue operation)

2004 Moscow subway suicide bombing. 41 dead.

2004 Airplane suicide bombing. 89 dead

2010 Moscow subway suicide bombing. 41 dead

2011 Moscow airport suicide bombing. 37 dead

2013 Volgograd train station suicide bombing. 18 dead and another one 16 dead.

2015 bomb on board Egypt flight. 224 dead

there is much much more but these are main ones. I am not even mentioning the 90s... If you lived in Russia in the 90s, there would be no question of why Putin keeps getting reelected...

as far as russia is concerned, we are not seeing anything new... except looks like there are no more black widows

 

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nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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couldn't make it past first 2 minutes.

here are a few facts about Russia's involvement: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/27/10-myths-about-afghanistan#comments

and a better overview http://wideshut.co.uk/soviet-afghan-war-cia-muslim-rebels/
Tell me something I don't know. (the US and Soviet versions of Afghanistan history) The US embraced radical Islam to destroy Soviet communism (who supported their own proxy warriors to attack the west). While I might criticize some of those who made that US policy, in the long term of history it was more important than creating today's terror groups that attack the US and Russia because we were ready to use tactical nukes if the Soviets advanced to the oil fields in the gulf.

That embrace didn't create radical Islam but it did make it a power capable of regional domination.
 

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nsaspook

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...tabbed-indiscriminately-london-terror-attack/
The van came to a halt on the south side of the bridge but it wasn’t the end of the carnage. Three men wielding knives 10 inches long began attacking passersby, even entering at least one restaurant to attack Saturday night diners.

One report suggested throats had been slashed by the marauders, likely to be Islamic State-inspired terrorists – although that had not been confirmed by the early hours of this morning.
 

R!f@@

Joined Apr 2, 2009
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If US use nuke on Russia, what make you think Russia won't retaliate.
US cannot destroy Russian Nukes all at once.
So where does that leave both the country.
That will leave a few more Nagasaki's.

Aside from that. N.Korea will be ready for the US just in case.
 

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nsaspook

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If US use nuke on Russia, what make you think Russia won't retaliate.
US cannot destroy Russian Nukes all at once.
So where does that leave both the country.
That will leave a few more Nagasaki's.

Aside from that. N.Korea will be ready for the US just in case.
Sure, that was the trip-wire calculation, to make the risk of advancing past the borders of Afghanistan not worth the possible start of MAD.
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/08/27/world/soviet-buildup-near-iran-tested-carter.html
Mr. Carter said: ''An attempt by an outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force.''

In February 1980, a secret Defense Department study titled ''Capabilities in the Persian Gulf'' concluded: ''To prevail in an Iranian scenario, we might have to threaten or make use of tactical nuclear weapons.''

Later that year, after the unsuccessful attempt in April to rescue American hostages held in Teheran, United States intelligence began reporting the Soviet build-up, Mr. Powell said.
This was deadly serious because I was a nuclear weapons authenticator on the ship during this time in the Gulf and we ran random drills after receiving EAM messages about possible Soviet movements.
In addition, communications codes were changed, radio frequencies where shifted, and electronic silence was imposed on some units - all standard indicators that the Soviet forces are being prepared for action.

At the time, United States forces in the region were limited to Navy ships and planes. The Rapid Deployment Force, later renamed the Central Command and made reponsible for defending United States interests, was in its early stages.

The Armed Forces Journal reports that the minutes of a meeting of the Joint Chiefs and Secretary of Defense Harold Brown in mid-August show the Chiefs as saying that the United States would have no option but to use tactical nuclear weapons to repel a Soviet invasion.
 
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cmartinez

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Sure, that was the trip-wire calculation, to make the risk of advancing past the borders of Afghanistan not worth the possible start of MAD.
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/08/27/world/soviet-buildup-near-iran-tested-carter.html


This was deadly serious because I was a nuclear weapons authenticator on the ship during this time in the Gulf and we ran random drills after receiving EAM messages about possible Soviet movements.
''When there is the possibility of a major conflict with the Soviet Union,'' he said, ''there is always a discussion of nuclear weapons. That is fairly standard.''

Scary...
 

boatsman

Joined Jan 17, 2008
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When it's an incident between the US and former USSR there was always a realisation on both sides of the mutual destruction. Dealing with ISIS or any other Islamic terror group (such as Hizballah or Fatah or Hamas) you have to realize that for them death is glorious, they become "martyrs". Their mind set is not compatible with Western values. Youcannot defeat them in battle, you have to totally destroy them
 

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nsaspook

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''When there is the possibility of a major conflict with the Soviet Union,'' he said, ''there is always a discussion of nuclear weapons. That is fairly standard.''

Scary...
Welcome to military life in the hair trigger, nuclear weapon threatening, Cold War. Thank goodness the Soviets were godless commies who didn't believe in a heavenly reward after death.
 

MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
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London Bridge just bombed today , I like the stiff upper lip typically Brit.
Every one was told to evacuate but one guy had just bought a beer, he just strolled away remarking "Evacuate? Well, OK. But this beer cost £6 a pint. I'm taking it with me."
Max.
 

spinnaker

Joined Oct 29, 2009
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London Bridge just bombed today , I like the stiff upper lip typically Brit.
Every one was told to evacuate but one guy had just bought a beer, he just strolled away remarking "Evacuate? Well, OK. But this beer cost £6 a pint. I'm taking it with me."
Max.

I am not seeing anywhere in the news where there was another attack. Or is this just a tasteless joke?
 

MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
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I am not seeing anywhere in the news where there was another attack. Or is this just a tasteless joke?
It was an attack, just that I misread it as a bombing.
Also I should have know better, the last I heard London bridge had moved to the US, it was TOWER bridge.
I have now read a report where London rebuilt London bridge, so maybe I was right!
Max.
 
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