Siren schematic

bertus

Joined Apr 5, 2008
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Hello,

It looks like that the collector and emittor of Q1b are the wrong way around.
You have the emittor to ground in stead of the collector.
The collector is connected to R3, but not to the base of Q2.

Bertus
 

zophas

Joined Jul 16, 2021
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I tried the original @Wendy circuit with a BC547 and a BC557. It works! Now to add another BC557 to make the Sziklai pair and see what difference it makes. I only found out about Sziklai pairs after joining this forum.
 

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Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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I tried the original @Wendy circuit with a BC547 and a BC557. It works! Now to add another BC557 to make the Sziklai pair and see what difference it makes. I only found out about Sziklai pairs after joining this forum.
Where did you get the transistors? Me too.

Confirmation is always nice. I was beginning to doubt myself.
 

zophas

Joined Jul 16, 2021
165
Where did you get the transistors? Me too.

Confirmation is always nice. I was beginning to doubt myself.
I have a whole lot of BC557/547 from some items that I took apart awhile back. Probably an old printer or fax machine. I use these for experimenting with stuff. I have a treasure trove of parts from things like that.
 

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Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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I do not know why I'm having so much trouble seeing the big picture. So here goes one more time:

V20 protoboard.jpg
I have been working on this current picture all day, for some reason the crisscrossing wires just above Q2 were driving me nuts.
 
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zophas

Joined Jul 16, 2021
165
Ok, after much collector emitter confusion, I got the Sziklai version of this little siren to work. Much louder than the single transistor version. Fun little project. But my cat did not like it, he left the room. Thanks, @Wendy .
 

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Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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I finally got this son of a gun to work, it appears it was a gain issue. Just wish I understood the oscillator better. I will post the schematic on the next post so I can write it up for my protoboard cookbook thread
 

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Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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This is a cute little siren circuit could I found when i was under 18 in a RadioShack 75 in 1 toy. I never did understand why Q1 was so critical, the original circuit used a germanium transistor. I suspected it might have been a gain issue so I substituted Q1 with a Sziklai pair to increase the gain which worked. The original design cycled up the frequency a little bit better reminding me of the old-fashioned sirens the police forces used to use. This shows that the circuit has an element of VCO which helps the sound. The Sziklai pair increases the complexity more than I like but I am not going to spend over $10 for germanium transistor. Press the button to create a siren sound.
V20 protoboard.jpg

Parts List

Q1a______2PN2222 NPN Transistor
Q1b,Q2__2PN2907 PNP Transistor
R1________47KΩ 1/4W 5% Resistor
R2________100KΩ 1/4W 5% Resistor
R3________20KΩ 1/4W 5% Resistor
C1________10µF Electrolytic Capacitor
C2________20nF Capacitor
C3________2.7µF Electrolytic Capacitor
S1________Tactile NO Button
Spk1______8Ω Speaker
B1_________9V Battery
 
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Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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Oh OK. Sheesh, everybody is a critic. It will be corrected.

I want to thank everyone who helped me to finally get this right. Now I disassemble it and go on to the next project.
 
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