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Wendy

Joined Mar 24, 2008
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I've played this game! Your picture is better though.

First guess, it is a small signal diode, similar to a 1N914.

You could connect it to a 20V power supply and reverse bias it to see if it is a zener.

The LED museum had a similar looking device that was an early LED.

Without markings it is almost impossible to be sure.
 

SgtWookie

Joined Jul 17, 2007
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Ahh, if you connect it to a 20v power supply, the supply better be current limited or you'll have a glass passivated open connection with some burned rubble in the middle. :eek:
 

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jut

Joined Aug 25, 2007
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It's not a zener. I do believe it's a schottky because there is no reverse recovery time as measured from my scope. This diode looks like an old "cat whisker" from way back in the day. I was curious to see if anyone recognized it.
 

Ron H

Joined Apr 14, 2005
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It's not a zener. I do believe it's a schottky because there is no reverse recovery time as measured from my scope. This diode looks like an old "cat whisker" from way back in the day. I was curious to see if anyone recognized it.
Did you see my post? Google "point contact diode" (images).

This site has great pictures of diode internals.
 

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jut

Joined Aug 25, 2007
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If you look closely at the OP's picture, the s-curve in the catwhisker appears to be there, seen "on edge".
The whisker has a bend, not so much an "s".


mmm, is that gold?
 

Ron H

Joined Apr 14, 2005
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Looks a lot like this one, from the site I referenced in my previous post.

It is curious that you could see no reverse recovery time, because I don't think it looks like a Schottky diode.
How are you measuring Trr?
EDIT: I can't find a Trr spec on any germanium diode.
 

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Ron H

Joined Apr 14, 2005
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I'm trying to simulate this. What is the capacitance of your probe?
The diode in the top picture must be a pretty big one. What type is it?

EDIT: What are the rise/fall times of your generator?
 

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jut

Joined Aug 25, 2007
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I couldn't find the capacitance of these Rigol RP2200 1x/20x probes. The front panel of the scope says "all inputs are 1Mohm//15pF" though.

Rise/fall time is about 20ns.

Diode in top picture is a Toshiba FR3T. See attached datasheet.
 

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Ron H

Joined Apr 14, 2005
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With 20nS transition times, you won't see the Trr of a small-signal diode. For example, 1N4148 has a Trr of 4nS. I suspect point contact diodes are in that same range, because their junctions are tiny. From Wikipedia:
Point-contact diodes
These work the same as the junction semiconductor diodes described above, but their construction is simpler. A block of n-type semiconductor is built, and a conducting sharp-point contact made with some group-3 metal is placed in contact with the semiconductor. Some metal migrates into the semiconductor to make a small region of p-type semiconductor near the contact. The long-popular 1N34 germanium version is still used in radio receivers as a detector and occasionally in specialized analog electronics.
 

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jut

Joined Aug 25, 2007
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Interesting, thanks.

So my BK 4011 function generator has 20ns rise/fall times. A higher end model like the hp33120a has the same rise/fall times. I wonder what instrument can give me faster rise/fall times to test this sort of thing (trr of diodes)?

ps - found a picture of my diode here:
http://www.crystalradio.net/detectors/
 

Ron H

Joined Apr 14, 2005
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Interesting, thanks.

So my BK 4011 function generator has 20ns rise/fall times. A higher end model like the hp33120a has the same rise/fall times. I wonder what instrument can give me faster rise/fall times to test this sort of thing (trr of diodes)?

ps - found a picture of my diode here:
http://www.crystalradio.net/detectors/
I could probably design a little circuit for you that would allow you to do this. You could still drive it from your function generator.
If you want me to do that:
What power supplies do you have available?
Do you have a stock of transistors and resistors? If not, who would you order from?
 

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jut

Joined Aug 25, 2007
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I have a ±(12 to 15)V @1A supply. I have a 0-20V @ 200mA supply. The latter is kinda flaky, it's an old RCA.

I have an extensive array of resistors: 1% and 5% kits. I have some typical transistors: 2n2222a (npn), 2n3906 (pnp), 2n7000 (n fet).
 

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jut

Joined Aug 25, 2007
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I've got some other transistors; I just don't have a good idea of my inventory, as i'm away from my home lab. I'll write back later with more info.

Thanks for the help :D
 
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