360kv is way better then 5mil! If im wrong and your right i would not mind being wrong this time!

LOL! - Got some problems with our communications somewhere!
5mil.. do you mean 5mV? - yep, 360kV is a lot 'better' than 5mV (unless you are touching a conductor - in which case I would prefer 5mV!)

The bottom line to all this is that the earth / ionosphere can be seen as a circuit - the voltages and impedences of this circuit are (quite) well known and understood.. And even if one was able to 'take' all the current from the ionosphere (without causing catastrophic disruption to the electrosphere) there would not be sufficient energy to power even a small city.

Electrical storms are a different matter - these are mainly the product of thermal energy which bombards the earth continuously (causing the weather patterns - particularly evaporation and wind - which is thermal energy converted to another form), and, in fact, it is these storms which 'charge' the ionosphere and 'top up' the charge.. otherwise (even with the high impedences) the 'capacitor' would have discharged a long time ago.

One of the things which is not (as far as I am aware) understood is what mechanism maintains the ionosphere at a reasonably constant potential.. (perhaps this is what the UFO's are doing...?? LOL)

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=898&page=211 has a breakdown of major components of earths electrical circuit (this book is well worth reading - I only discovered it recently + wish I had found it sooner - would have saved me a lot of time!)

I dont care who is 'right' or 'wrong' - Looking at those UFO pictures on the 'tether' video makes me wonder if I actually know anything.. Nothing seems to make any sense anymore...

 

I was watching a video that said there is enough energy in the ionosphere to vaporize any city. the video was Nikola Tesla: The Missing Secrets

 

I was watching a video that said there is enough energy in the ionosphere to vaporize any city. the video was Nikola Tesla: The Missing Secrets

Well - on what basis did whoever said that come to the conclusion that "there is enough energy in the ionosphere to vaporize any city" ? - The data I have seen makes this claim, ( if not substantiated with data I and the MANY scientists involved over MANY years in studying earths electrosphere, from whom I have based my assessments) , groundless - I do not care who said it - Tesla or Einstien - If it is not backed up with sound research, it aint worth the paper (or videotape) it is presented on.

Tesla was a great engineer - but (in my opinion) NOT a great scientist - and he got too bigheaded.. resulting in SLOPPY work - Sorry.. But you can see it all through his latter works - It is EASY to get so enthusiastic about ones discoveries that one forgets to apply due care.. I know this place too well..

A truly great engineer or scientist will spend more time trying to DISPROVE any hypothesis they come up with, than they did making the discovery.. Only when EVERYTHING they can think of / do to smash their idea/s has been done, will they present the ideas for others to smash.. Tesla NEVER did this!

 

Doing some maths.. (based on data in) http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=898&page=211 :

Voltage at Ionosphere (upper 'Capacitor' plate) = 280kV
Charge on 'upper Capacitor plate' = 500kC
Earths total Capacitance:
C=Q/V = 500k/280k = 1.78 Farads..
So :
We have a 1.78 Farad capacitor charged to 280kV, and this is the total energy available..(and would entirely deplete the electrosphere if discharged, which would probably be an E.L.E. due to the effect on weather etc - but this is a baseless guess) It sure would make a big bang if it was ALL shorted to ground via low resistance path in a second.. But would it vaporise a city? I doubt it.. but am not an expert on city vaporisation!

 

Ok then, disprove to me that there is not enough energy in the ionosphere to vaporize a city?

 

wow you posted right before me on that last one!

It would not completely discharge the ionosphere causing unknown havoc and destruction because the ionosphere is constantly ionized by the uv rays from the sun.

That book is so small! how do i make it bigger?

 

It sure would make a big bang if it was ALL shorted to ground via low resistance path in a second.. But would it vaporise a city? I doubt it.. but am not an expert on city vaporisation!

There are 4.18 teraJoules per kiloton, so at least 50 to 100 teraJoules would be needed. We'll need a few more planets to pull this one off.

 

There are 4.18 teraJoules per kiloton, so at least 50 to 100 teraJoules would be needed. We'll need a few more planets to pull this one off.

Thats kiloton of TNT right?

so it wont cause unknown havoc and destruction..?

 

We'll need a few more planets to pull this one off.

Yep - We need to connect a couple of planets with size / electrical charactaristics similar to Jupiter together... An extremely long oxegen-free copper cable should do it.. Then choose which city in the 'axis of evil' we zap...

As it stands though, poor old Bagdad got more of a hammering from conventional explosives than the entire destructive power from earths electrosphere could manage - and it wasnt vaporized..

Conclusion.. ? The idea that there is a vast quantity of electrical energy 'in' earths electrosphere, is just nonsense - The figures show that there is no point in even attempting to get this energy, and if Tesla was the one to make the 'city vaporization' claim, well, we need to take anything he said / claimed with a BIG "pinch of salt" ..

On the other hand, with people like this about, I am even more convinced that the solution is thermal .... There is an UNLIMITED quantity of HOT AIR available!!!

 

wow you posted right before me on that last one!

It would not completely discharge the ionosphere causing unknown havoc and destruction because the ionosphere is constantly ionized by the uv rays from the sun.

That book is so small! how do i make it bigger?

Oh yes.. IF we were able to discharge the electrosphere, havoc + destruction is a probable outcome (Hey - a script for a new hollywwod disaster movie! - I have made almost no money from electronics - perhaps I should try this... .. An original disaster movie for a change!!)

That book is so small! how do i make it bigger -> Try downloading the PDF and not viewing it from within your browser.. or get a bigger monitor!
Simpler way - Click "Print Page" - You should get a preview which is more readable.. You can then choose to 'print' this to a PDF or paper if you wish, or cancel the print after you have read it.. or, if really interested, buy the PDF book.

 

Final sums (proof that tesla was talking out his RS)..

The TOTAL power available from discharging earths electrosphere completely is less than 80^9 Joules.. Equivalent to under 17 tons of TNT..

This is about 1/500th of the TNT equivalent of the H bomb dropped on Hiroshima... Big 'bunker buster' bombs (many of which have been used on Iraq and Afganistan) clock in at several tons (3 to 5) TNT equivalent, and the biggest 'conventional' bomb I have seen listed on the web was 44 tons..

Even if we took the maximum EMF recorded on the electrosphere, its destructive discharge power would be MUCH less than 100 tons of TNT.


Enough to vaporise a large building - but it is doubtful whether it could be said that it was capable of vaporising any building on earth - let alone any city on earth!

And my position has now changed.. Starting a few days ago as "not an expert on city vaporisation" I now think I am more of an expert on the matter than the great Tesla!

 

If I need a city vaporizer Ill call you first!

But i dont think you can discharge the ionosphere as it is constantly ionized by the suns UV rays.

 

If I need a city vaporizer Ill call you first!.

LOL! - Sorry - but I refuse to take on any military / destructive work .. I am not exactly a pacifist, (I believe violence is sometimes justified in defence of the weak / innocent, or oneself) but also believe that the arms industry is the major driver of wars and global instability, and I have never, and will never have any willing part in this evil insanity.

But i dont think you can discharge the ionosphere as it is constantly ionized by the suns UV rays.

The exact method by which the electrosphere potential is maintained is, I believe, a subject of debate.. The consensus is (I believe) that the charge is primarily produced by electrostatics within earths atmosphere - driven more by heat (causing movement of gasses and evaporation) than by UV ionisation - this is backed up by the huge electrical potentials observed on other gasious planets not exposed to even a fraction of the UV earth is bombarded with.

What would happen if earths electrosphere was 'shorted' is anyones guess - would this result in huge electrical imbalance in the atmosphere causing massive discharge? (What happens in the dielectric of a capacitor when it is discharged - or, more particularly, what would happen to an 'active' volatile dielectric?)

It MAY be that there is more energy 'stored' in earths dielectric weather system than simple 'charge on a capacitor' analysis shows.. so it MAY be that, if shorted, there would be a lot more energy available...

But the above is all speculative - bottom line being that we cant do it.. and that even if we could tap the electrosphere continuously at its maximum level without causing problems, there would not be enough power to supply even a small city.

 

How about tapping into all that "free" geothermal energy? Krakatoa, Pinatubo, and others should keep the 'fridge running for a week or two, yes?

Or maybe would could set a gigantic piezoelectric doodad up underneath that asteroid impact area.

 

How about tapping into all that "free" geothermal energy? Krakatoa, Pinatubo, and others should keep the 'fridge running for a week or two, yes?

Or maybe would could set a gigantic piezoelectric doodad up underneath that asteroid impact area.

Or maybe we can just all go Solar since it is now cheaper than even coal to produce electricity.

 

Some of us only get sun three months out of the year. Now if you could get electricity out of drizzle and mist...

 

Possibly a small impulse turbine in each downspout?

 

or a water wheal?

 

Excellent idea! I should be able to get nearly a Watt on days when the precipitation crosses over into the "rain" category from "mist" or "drizzle."

 

Get a condenser that the water would condense on then fall onto the water wheel.