LTspice How to view the RMS value of waveform for power dissipation in Waveform Viewer.

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Stoyan.Nikolov.2Induction

Joined Nov 26, 2023
44
Hi.

How to view the RMS value of waveform for power dissipation in Waveform Viewer.

LTspice v.17.0.36.0

I am able to view RMS value for Voltage and Current

Waveform separately by simply

Ctrl+LeftMouseClick on the

label of the waveform.

But when Press Ctrl+LeftMouseClick on the

label

of the Waveform of Power

dissipation (Obtained using Alt+Left Click over component) I can View only

Average and Integral Values.

Thank You.
 

crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
38,316
The average of Instantaneous of real power in case of a sinewave voltage and Capacitor or Inductor is 0 , which is not true for RMS value
RMS power is the power dissipated.
An ideal capacitor or inductor dissipates no real power, so the power is all reactive and the real power value is zero.
Why do you think it's not?
 
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Stoyan.Nikolov.2Induction

Joined Nov 26, 2023
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In Ltspice
In circuit consisting of AC Sinewave Voltage 50Hz an pure Inductor (with negligible series resistance)
When I Press Alt+LeftMouseClickKey on Inductor to view its power dissipation

and then Ctrl+LeftMouseClick on the label of the Power in Waveform Viewer it shows values for
-Average
-Integral
That are negligible or almost zero.
That is not the case with RMS Power.
How to plot and see RMS Power?
 

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Stoyan.Nikolov.2Induction

Joined Nov 26, 2023
44
How to plot and see RMS Value?
Although it is zero in case of pure Inductor.

Not
Average
Integral

I want to see
Average
RMS
The same as with the waveforms of Voltage and Current.
 
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Stoyan.Nikolov.2Induction

Joined Nov 26, 2023
44
In case of circuit with
50Hz AC Sinewave Voltage Source
and
Pure Inductor

When I Press alt+mouseleftclick on inductor

I have v*i Waveform in Waveform viewer.
---------------
When I ctrl+LeftMouseClick on the label of that waveform
v*i

I have
interval start
interval end
Average
Integral

When I Press ctrl+LeftMouseClick on the label of Voltage only waveform
I have
interval start
interval end
Average
Rms

of the voltage only waveform


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How to view
RMS of the v*I waveform

like
interval start
interval end
Average
Rms

not
Interval start
interval end
Average
Integral
 

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Stoyan.Nikolov.2Induction

Joined Nov 26, 2023
44
IMG-7a9a98edaf039c0ee3f4d0bfd92e0aa4-V.png

Alt+LeftMouseClickKey over inductor
gives for Power
IMG-705fe023f74f8fadfea485182619b141-V.png

Selecting voltage across Inductor gives
IMG-294e68f9ebe0328c860d19397ef74d1e-V.png


Need to view RMS of
V(N001,N002)*I(L1)
Waveform

not only for V(N002,N001) Waveform
 
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crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
38,316
I want to see
Average
RMS
The same as with the waveforms of Voltage and Current.
What is your definition of RMS for the power?
The average RMS value of the voltage and the current are indeed non-zero, but the average (RMS) power of the inductor is zero, and that's what the simulation is showing, so what do you think you should see?
 
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crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
38,316
This is what he asked, this is what I posted, no mention, no mention of power in my post.
Okay, I just didn't understand why you would post an equation that has no useful technical meaning.
It seems apparent, that he doesn't understand the meaning of RMS when it comes to power.
 

ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
21,390
Okay, I just didn't understand why you would post an equation that has no useful technical meaning.
I would say my post signature note best explains it, I am trying to understand the way he understands it and what he is really asking

You asked him and got no answer.

He has posted the same question in post #17.
 

eetech00

Joined Jun 8, 2013
4,704
Hi.

How to view the RMS value of waveform for power dissipation in Waveform Viewer.

LTspice v.17.0.36.0

I am able to view RMS value for Voltage and Current

Waveform separately by simply

Ctrl+LeftMouseClick on the

label of the waveform.

But when Press Ctrl+LeftMouseClick on the

label

of the Waveform of Power

dissipation (Obtained using Alt+Left Click over component) I can View only

Average and Integral Values.

Thank You.
You have to use .meas statements then view the results in the output log:

1735144666749.png
 
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