Locating Loose Neutrals

Thread Starter

illusha

Joined Mar 11, 2019
17
Thanks for the additional info. I'm hoping to replace tonight a few switches and outlets that looked obviously old and nasty. I will continue troubleshooting if that does not help.
 

sghioto

Joined Dec 31, 2017
8,634
If you can't get to the neutral in the switch that controls the bad outlet then plug an incandescent lamp into the "bad" outlet and measure across the switch again. Should have 120 volts with the switch OFF. This will indicate the neutral is OK from the outlet.
SG
 

BillB3857

Joined Feb 28, 2009
2,573
If you can't get to the neutral in the switch that controls the bad outlet then plug an incandescent lamp into the "bad" outlet and measure across the switch again. Should have 120 volts with the switch OFF. This will indicate the neutral is OK from the outlet.
SG
I respectfully disagree. If there is a high resistance connection anywhere before or after the switch, the meter, will read the line voltage. The reason being, even a marginal connection, carrying very small currents, will not have a significant voltage drop.
 

Thread Starter

illusha

Joined Mar 11, 2019
17
Update. Changed the crappy switch that went to 2 disconnected fluorescent lights in the bathroom. No change anywhere.

Changed the "bad" outlet that was tied to the switch above it (and changed the switch too). That outlet had two circuits feeding it. But the center tab separating 2 hot screws was still intact. Removed the tab. Nothing changed... voltages are slightly different but still in about the same range.

Found a few other outlets wired in the same way. Removed the tab. But that was a mistake. Apparently some of them outlets were wired like that instead of a wire nut to pass electricity through the chain to the next outlet. Replaced them again keeping center tab. At least restored power to where it was lost after removing the tab.

I'm kinda done with this. Gonna wait for the electrician to come out on Friday. I'm all out of ideas and I know it will be expensive.

Wonder if I can sue the house flipper...
 

sghioto

Joined Dec 31, 2017
8,634
Update. Changed the crappy switch that went to 2 disconnected fluorescent lights in the bathroom. No change anywhere.
Are the neutrals still connected in the disconnected fluroescent lights?

Changed the "bad" outlet that was tied to the switch above it (and changed the switch too). That outlet had two circuits feeding it. But the center tab separating 2 hot screws was still intact.
That would imply that the outlet is feeding the switch.
SG
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
10,049
Changed the "bad" outlet that was tied to the switch above it (and changed the switch too). That outlet had two circuits feeding it. But the center tab separating 2 hot screws was still intact. Removed the tab. Nothing changed... voltages are slightly different but still in about the same range.
That is how most series/chained outlets are done. when the tab is removed the next outlet in the line and all past that one stop working. Only one of your, " That outlet had two circuits feeding it" was a feed to the outlet, the other was going to the next outlet. If you don't do it this way you end up with too many wire nut connections in the circuits.
 

MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
34,888
AC LINE on duplex outlets (outlets with two sockets) are normally wired together with the interconnecting tab.
Normally one does not break off the interconnecting tab. One would break off the tab if the two outlets are being fed from different feeds. For example, one outlet can be constantly live to power a clock radio, while the other is switched to power a bedside lamp.
 
Top