Terrorists are real.

All too real. Some are Muslim, some are Christian, some are American, some are European, some are Asian, Some are African... A billion peaceful Muslims suggests that Islam doesn't cause terrorism.

Do I hear their Leaders voicing an opinion denouncing those who are terrorists, like ISIS? No.

Maybe that's because nobody's talking to the thousands of refugees.

 

Are you saying there are a billion Muslims out there intent on killing Americans?

That's a straw man argument. The percentage of people willing and able to kill Americans in parts of the world is a known fact that the State dept tracks. The relative danger in a place like the Philippines with a large Muslim and Christian population is a known factor in where I can travel with my family (The wife has family in Mindanao). I co-own a house on the middle islands near Cubu in cabilao Bohol. It's a wonderful place that I would love to retire at but today it's a risk for me to travel there not because there are a billion Muslims out there intent on killing Americans, it's because there is a sizable (IMO) fraction of the billion willing to harm Americans in the name of Islam.
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/philippines-travel-warning.html

 

Some say silence implies consent.

Or collusion

 

A billion peaceful Muslims suggests that Islam doesn't cause terrorism.

A billion peaceful Muslims aren't on the nightly news. The percentage seeking their 72 virgins are. That percentage is killing.

I've already stated terrorists come in all flavors.

It's up to all to apply their due diligence when traveling, at home and abroad, to protect themselves and their family.

 

That's a straw man argument. The percentage of people willing and able to kill Americans in parts of the world is a known fact that the State dept tracks. The relative danger in a place like the Philippines with a large Muslim and Christian population is a known factor in where I can travel with my family (The wife has family in Mindanao). I co-own a house on the middle islands near Cubu in cabilao Bohol. It's a wonderful place that I would love to retire at but today it's a risk for me to travel there not because there are a billion Muslims out there intent on killing Americans, it's because there is a sizable (IMO) fraction of the billion willing to harm Americans in the name of Islam.
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/philippines-travel-warning.html

My son teaches in Turkey, a majority Muslim country. No restrictions on travel, no more danger than most US cities. He's made a cortege of friends there. Nobody he's met seems to hate him for being a westerner.

 

A billion peaceful Muslims aren't on the nightly news.

And so what? They exist all the same.

 

My son teaches in Turkey, a majority Muslim country. No restrictions on travel, no more danger than most US cities. He's made a cortege of friends there. Nobody he's met seems to hate him for being a westerner.

Hope your son stays safe but even Turkey (a secular state) has a 'critical' Terrorism rating.
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/the-threats/terrorism/threat-levels.html

Istanbul, Turkey’s largest city, is a rapidly growing metropolis divided by the Bosphorus Strait. Despite its population of more than 13.5 million people and the mass of visitors, the city is considered one of the safest in the world. This is quite impressive considering its high, dense population. However, extra precautions should still be taken to enhance personal security. Travelers to Istanbul will find most people hospitable, friendly, and generous.

https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=17569

 

@nsaspook said:
Rouhani, a relative moderate. To whom? Hitler?

 

Yet there are a billion Muslims in the world who have never killed or attacked anyone.

The only difference between the peaceful Muslims and the extremist Muslims is that while the extremist Muslims want to behead you, the peaceful Muslims want the extremist Muslims to behead you.

 

Both are same i think.

 

The only difference between the peaceful Muslims and the extremist Muslims is that while the extremist Muslims want to behead you, the peaceful Muslims want the extremist Muslims to behead you.

Bulls@@t

 

@nsaspook said:
Rouhani, a relative moderate. To whom? Hitler?

To this guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini

In a talk at the Fayzieah School in Qom, 30 August 1979, Khomeini warned pro-imperialist opponents: "Those who are trying to bring corruption and destruction to our country in the name of democracy will be oppressed. They are worse than Bani-Ghorizeh Jews, and they must be hanged. We will oppress them by God's order and God's call to prayer."[146]
...
In the 1988 executions of Iranian political prisoners, following the People's Mujahedin of Iran unsuccessful operation Forough-e Javidan against the Islamic Republic, Khomeini issued an order to judicial officials to judge every Iranian political prisoner (mostly but not all Mujahedin) and kill those judged to be apostates from Islam (mortad) or "waging war on God" (moharebeh). Almost all of those interrogated were killed, estimates of their number vary from 1,400[149]to 30,000.[150][151][152]

http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/our-man-inside-irans-revolutionary-guards

In 1979, a coalition of Iranian liberals, leftists, and Islamists overthrew the tyrannical Shah Reza Pahlavi—and a new regime more dangerous and brutal than the last took its place.

An alliance of liberals, leftists, and Islamists made sense at first. The Shah oppressed them all more or less equally. But the Iranian Revolution, like so many others before it, devoured its children. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and his Islamists emerged the strong horse in the post-revolutionary struggle for power, and they liquidated the liberals and leftists.
...
Before the revolution, mainstream Iranians didn’t have that much resentment against the United States. Many Americans lived there. And from 1981 or so, and throughout the 1980s and 1990s, people were praying every day and night that there would be a coup or that the U.S. would do something. They wanted to be freed from these clerics. There were demonstrations, there were uprisings, but they were never covered by the foreign mass media. They weren’t as large as the ones we’re seeing lately, so they were clamped down fast. Demonstrators were taken to prison, tortured, and killed.

 

Do I think all Muslims are terrorists? No. Do I hear their Leaders voicing an opinion denouncing those who are terrorists, like ISIS? No.

Some say silence implies consent.

Well, lets see. Iraq gov't is fighting them, same with Iran and Sryia and some tokens from other Muslim countries. I would say that's a pretty big denouncement.

By the way, I want to denounce the crazy guy that shot up Sandyhook. I feel better, but I don't think I changed anything.

 

That's a straw man argument. The percentage of people willing and able to kill Americans in parts of the world is a known fact that the State dept tracks. The relative danger in a place like the Philippines with a large Muslim and Christian population is a known factor in where I can travel with my family (The wife has family in Mindanao). I co-own a house on the middle islands near Cubu in cabilao Bohol. It's a wonderful place that I would love to retire at but today it's a risk for me to travel there not because there are a billion Muslims out there intent on killing Americans, it's because there is a sizable (IMO) fraction of the billion willing to harm Americans in the name of Islam.
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/philippines-travel-warning.html

I used to go there quite often in the 90's. I was always around Manila, but felt safe from terrorists, but not as safe from regular thieves. But then we always traveled with a guard with a big gun.
That didn't keep me from liking the people there.

 

Well, lets see. Iraq gov't is fighting them, same with Iran and Sryia and some tokens from other Muslim countries. I would say that's a pretty big denouncement.

It's denouncement in the same way the Sicilian Mafia denounces competition into their territory by eastern European gangsters.

 

But then we always traveled with a guard with a big gun.

Nice caveat. How would you have felt without that guard and his big gun?

 

Well, lets see. Iraq gov't is fighting them, same with Iran and Sryia and some tokens from other Muslim countries. I would say that's a pretty big denouncement.

Do you happen to know the documented end game Iran, Syria, and the token others have in mind? We could speculate it's the end of ISIS as we know it, but we know another group will be formed to garner the press by being more ruthless than the previous one.

 

Do you happen to know the documented end game Iran, Syria, and the token others have in mind? We could speculate it's the end of ISIS as we know it, but we know another group will be formed to garner the press by being more ruthless than the previous one.

I think the best we can hope for is to get it back to about the same as it was before we decided democracy was a good idea for that part of the world. Big mistake Iraq.

 

I think the best we can hope for is to get it back to about the same as it was before we decided democracy was a good idea for that part of the world. Big mistake Iraq.

It was a mistake, alright... like fanning the nest of very angry wasps.

 

It's denouncement in the same way the Sicilian Mafia denounces competition into their territory by eastern European gangsters.

I don't know of a bigger one than to give your life for it.
You can call it self preservation I suppose. But the result is the same. They are not fighting all Muslims. The question was about ISIS.