Don't know about this specific area but often this is different. Sadly many of these people can't afford to move. They don't have the money to be able to just walk away.

From every person I have ever talked to that deals with the low end income and like people they all tell me that's BS. Every area of this country has programs and local help organizations that can get anyone out of an area if they are actually willing to move their butts even if it means buying them a bus ticket to move them to someplace that can help them.

Same with moving people to new homes or better places than where they are. There are always options available if a person is willing to simply ask and then act on the advice and help they are offered. The reality is most wont or they think that if they hold out long enough a better offer will come along which rarely happens.

Personally I have tried working with such people in the past and I finally have given up on most to them simply because its blatantly obvious they are simply too damn lazy to do anything for themselves. They are not poor and trying. They are poor and don't care what happens if it means they have to put forth any effort themselves.

 

You mean like no current limit in a battery charger when you know there are known dangers in charging batteries?

Potential-for is not proof-of-necessity of every time. I'm not a what-if'er so by nature I find no point in worrying about things that might happen yet have shown themself to be well below the threshold of rational concern in real life experiences. I deal with 'what-did's' as they happen and things that have scored a zero in the life long what-did experience department get no concern.

Everything we do in life has the potential for danger (some likely fatal) yet we rarely ever put any thought or effort into proportionally preparing for any of it as it would be statistically justified by likeliness of actually happening.

http://www.ifcs.org/news/occupational-hazard-what-are-the-most-dangerous-things-you-do-everyday/

How many of those things do you put any real concern, let alone deliberate effort, into preventing? None for me.

Charging batteries using theoretically optimal processes is a near zero concern on my list. I have far more important thing to do with my time. Like ordering parts to fix up a second 1000 gallon propane tank I acquired recently so that I can go into winter with at least 2X the likely needed propane I will use this year.

 

The reverse happened here and no one can give me any explanations for it.

Around 2011 we had what was likely the largest and longest recorded flood in our area history yet today they are building higher end homes and residential developments all over the now well known and defined flood plain despite all of the talk after the floods that all of the floodplain was going to be designated as a restricted build zone where only a limited type of non residential and specific commercial structures, if any, could be built.

The reason is the real estate and construction industry is the moral equivalent of a cancer cell that thrives on unlimited population growth and development without any regard to the consequences. The mantra is always Growth, Growth, Growth, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!!!

Here in California, the real estate and construction industry is being propped up by huge amounts of government $$$ being pumped into the economy. If that money were cut off, the housing market would definitely collapse into a black hole and never recover. In fact, the housing collapse of 2008 was caused by government propping up a phony market that should have gone extinct.

Regarding all the building in a flood plane, the government should cut off federal flood insurance and not provide any funding to rebuild damaged property.

 

Seems even the MSM is calling out the price gougers in Florida while giving praise to the good people and companies who are stepping up to help.

Screw good people over for personal gain when they're in a bad situation and you will be found out!

How you are willing to treat others when they are in a bad situation really shows ones true colors whether you 're a individual or a business.

 

Desperate consumers were seen flocking to stores to buy bottled water that have been sold out long ago. That is not a pretty picture of resilience.

Maybe just laziness.

Some 30 years ago, when berthed in Nola, I asked NOAA to contrast our barometer in the bridge. I told the guy who came, how good was their forecast for the area. Amongst other things, he told me: Thanks to satelites, since 1966, we never missed one (tropical storm) forming in the Atlantic.

Please admit that starting that far gives enough time for people ashore to make decisions, isn' it? Even seamen can decide well ahead to stay in the navigable semicircle or evade altoghether.

I feel lucky of living in a place where we do not experience them every year.

 

Potential-for is not proof-of-necessity of every time. I'm not a what-if'er so by nature I find no point in worrying about things that might happen yet have shown themself to be well below the threshold of rational concern in real life experiences. I deal with 'what-did's' as they happen and things that have scored a zero in the life long what-did experience department get no concern.

Everything we do in life has the potential for danger (some likely fatal) yet we rarely ever put any thought or effort into proportionally preparing for any of it as it would be statistically justified by likeliness of actually happening.

http://www.ifcs.org/news/occupational-hazard-what-are-the-most-dangerous-things-you-do-everyday/

How many of those things do you put any real concern, let alone deliberate effort, into preventing? None for me.

Charging batteries using theoretically optimal processes is a near zero concern on my list. I have far more important thing to do with my time. Like ordering parts to fix up a second 1000 gallon propane tank I acquired recently so that I can go into winter with at least 2X the likely needed propane I will use this year.

Hi,

Engineering a product is not the same as living everyday life. Your reasoning tells me that you have not looked into this well enough. But i dont force anyone to take my advice or anyone else's advice. I just report what i nave found in the past to cause problems and this comes from experience designing various power equipment both for my personal use, friends and family, and industry commercial and research projects working with some of the best people in the industry.

As for hurricanes and earthquakes, there are building standards that must be employed and these standards come from knowing what has FAILED in the past, not from knowing what has NOT FAILED in the past. If they never failed then that meant that the right conditions for failure did not yet occur, but once they do, then it all hits the fan.

Also, i read now that they are going to prevent rebuilding in areas that repeatedly flood out in Florida also. I think this might be getting to be the standard now.

 

Also, i read now that they are going to prevent rebuilding in areas that repeatedly flood out in Florida also. I think this might be getting to be the standard now.

This is what they did in my earlier post along the Ohio river. I think it was the Corps of Army Engineers that stepped in there. They, Corps, also did much flood mitigation work on the river, so it doesn't flood as much now.

 

Engineering a product is not the same as living everyday life. Your reasoning tells me that you have not looked into this well enough. But i dont force anyone to take my advice or anyone else's advice. I just report what i nave found in the past to cause problems and this comes from experience designing various power equipment both for my personal use, friends and family, and industry commercial and research projects working with some of the best people in the industry.

Optimal (by bureaucratic regulation decree) industrial and or commercial application procedure is rarely used in common day to day private life. I have never worn a hard hat and or other PPE at home while doing the same work that would have required it on certain job sites while at work.

Beyond that do you have a point or purpose with following me around with your battery charging issue or not? You do yours your way and I will do mine my way and whomever else can do theirs whatever way they want.

 

Optimal (by bureaucratic regulation decree) industrial and or commercial application procedure is rarely used in common day to day private life. I have never worn a hard hat and or other PPE at home while doing the same work that would have required it on certain job sites while at work.

Beyond that do you have a point or purpose with following me around with your battery charging issue or not? You do yours your way and I will do mine my way and whomever else can do theirs whatever way they want.

Hi,

That's interesting. Your new reply prompted me to change my sig line. Take a read.

Once again, i sincerely wish you the best of luck with your new (and old) designs.

Back on topic, i hope Florida is ready because it's going to hit within the next 24 hours i think. It looks like it is going to be really really bad. The gov has already allocated something like another 7 or 8 billion and that's on top of Harvey's 8 billion, i wonder if that is going to be enough as it looks like it could hit a high valued area pretty hard.

 

That's interesting. Your new reply prompted me to change my sig line. Take a read.

That you're prerogative and it has no effect on my in anyway. Odds are if you hadn't pointed it out I would have never noticed a change.

Personally, I still like my signature just fine as is.

 

That you're prerogative and it has no effect on my in anyway. Odds are if you hadn't pointed it out I would have never noticed a change.

Personally, I still like my signature just fine as is.

Hi,

Not sure why you would say all that now. I never suggested changing YOUR sig line, so this doesnt seem to make sense to me.

You seemed to be taking offense to my replies so i offered a quote that pertains to that. In science it is typical to disagree that that helps lead us to better conclusions. It's not really a matter of personal taste as the facts stand for themselves. So it's about disagreeing and discussing that disagreement without taking it too personal.
Maybe not the same for politics though (big chuckle). So we can all get along even though we disagree on some points, keeping in mind that we probably agree on 99 for every 1 we disagree on. I think that if we agreed on every single point we wouldnt have much to talk about either.

I read now that Florida could see 25 inches of rain in some places. That's just nuts. Winds could be 185 miles per hour.

 

I read now that Florida could see 25 inches of rain in some places. That's just nuts. Winds could be 185 miles per hour.

A bit less than a decade ago while my wife was still in Taiwan waiting for her Visa to process, they had a typhoon that hit the central part of the country. One city on the western coast received 84 inches or rain in one day! The damage was pretty severe, but nothing like we typically see with much smaller amounts. Of course the reason is fairly obvious -- that area ALWAYS gets lots of rain every year and so the terrain, as well as how it has been built up, are simply able to deal with a lot more water than areas like Houston, which have limited abilities to absorb lots of water.

Where I'm at, just a few inches in a day is a major storm causing lots of damage and not uncommonly a few deaths. But we are a semi-arid climate with a lot of clay soils that can't absorb or hold water and the mountains to the west channel the runoff of large geographical areas into rivers that simply are neither wide nor deep.

 

The damage was pretty severe, but nothing like we typically see with much smaller amounts. Of course the reason is fairly obvious -- that area ALWAYS gets lots of rain every year and so the terrain, as well as how it has been built up, are simply able to deal with a lot more water than areas like Houston, which have limited abilities to absorb lots of water.

Where I'm at, just a few inches in a day is a major storm causing lots of damage and not uncommonly a few deaths.

It is curious how areas and more importantly people in those areas can handle the local weather.

I used to work out of Austin in summer during high school as a mover (packing people's belongings, loading them on a truck). One of the guys I worked with was with a French guy named Bert. Doing manual labor in the Texas heat, the guy would sweat no less than a gallon every day, no exaggeration. Every time you look at him, he is wringing out his sweat rag. When he carried a box against his chest it was almost ruined before he got it to the truck. He told me a story about a record hot summer in France where a state of emergency was declared and people filled stadiums and government buildings for the AC. Many people died of the heat. The temperatures he quoted were the average Texas summer heat. Hotter still in Africa, where most don't have AC and still don't die from heat.

Edit: I just looked it up to see if it was true. It's even worse than I knew. Over 70,000 deaths and temperature was 104f.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave

 

It is curious how areas and more importantly people in those areas can handle the local weather.

I used to work out of Austin in summer during high school as a mover (packing people's belongings, loading them on a truck). One of the guys I worked with was with a French guy named Bert. Doing manual labor in the Texas heat, the guy would sweat no less than a gallon every day, no exaggeration. Every time you look at him, he is wringing out his sweat rag. When he carried a box against his chest it was almost ruined before he got it to the truck. He told me a story about a record hot summer in France where a state of emergency was declared and people filled stadiums and government buildings for the AC. Many people died of the heat. The temperatures he quoted were the average Texas summer heat. Hotter still in Africa, where most don't have AC and still don't die from heat.

Edit: I just looked it up to see if it was true. It's even worse than I knew. Over 70,000 deaths and temperature was 104f.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave

While genetics probably is a factor to at least some degree, a lot of it is more cultural. In areas without AC but with a lot of heat, people just know what to do to deal with it because they've always dealt with it. Of course, comparing two areas of similar temperature is just part of the story since other factors, such as humidity, can play a huge role. But even if you account for all of that you will see the differences.

I'm reminded of differences that I've seen here in just my lifetime. As a kid, I remember knowing from as far back as I can remember that you never eat poultry that isn't thoroughly cooked. All of my friends, even as a child, seemed to just know this, too (having learned it at home as just a matter of course). But today I'm surprised by the number of people that don't realize this. I think a big part of this is that, when I was a kid, the vast majority of families cooked most of their meals at home from scratch (or close to it). Today, there are a lot of people that almost never do this -- they eat out, order out, or throw prepackaged stuff in the microwave.

Also, it's possible that a lot of people DO die from heat in some of those places, such as Africa, and we just don't hear about them much because it is the norm, not the exception. I don't know if that's actually the case or not.

 

It is curious how areas and more importantly people in those areas can handle the local weather.

A lot of it has to do with the willingness to acclimate to the area. Given our wide seasonal range here I get hit twice a year with having to re acclimate to one extreme or the other. For about two weeks life is either way too hot or way too cold but after that adjustment it no big deal. the key is the week or so of forcing myself to deal with it full on so my body will adjust.

Rather interesting to see the house thermostat variance from winter to summer. After winter acclimation 72 and dry is almost too warm inside but in the summer 76 with the AC on is almost too cold.

 

While genetics probably is a factor to at least some degree, a lot of it is more cultural. In areas without AC but with a lot of heat, people just know what to do to deal with it because they've always dealt with it.

That's what I was trying to say. I imagine my area would be declared a disaster if we had a blizzard.

 

Hi,

Engineering a product is not the same as living everyday life. Your reasoning tells me that you have not looked into this well enough. But i dont force anyone to take my advice or anyone else's advice. I just report what i nave found in the past to cause problems and this comes from experience designing various power equipment both for my personal use, friends and family, and industry commercial and research projects working with some of the best people in the industry.

As for hurricanes and earthquakes, there are building standards that must be employed and these standards come from knowing what has FAILED in the past, not from knowing what has NOT FAILED in the past. If they never failed then that meant that the right conditions for failure did not yet occur, but once they do, then it all hits the fan.

Also, i read now that they are going to prevent rebuilding in areas that repeatedly flood out in Florida also. I think this might be getting to be the standard now.

The building codes in earthquake prone California are largely based on data from strong motion seismographs located throughout the area. These instruments measure Peak Ground Acceleration (PGA) which is the main parameter that influences damage.

However, prior to the late 1960s, there were very few of these seismographs and the PGA in many of the earthquakes that occurred before that time was largely based on estimates rather than instrumental data. Consequently, the estimated PGA used by the Los Angeles building code was 13% of gravity (0.13 G) and many buildings were designed to this number.

However in the 1971 San Fernando Valley Earthquake, seismographs near the the epicenter recorded a PGA of about 1.0 G and that motion severely damaged many buildings including three hospitals. The brand new Olive View Hospital in Sylmar was designed for a PGA of at least 0.13 G, but it was also the most prominent building that incurred fatal damage and partial collapse.

Since 1971, there have been many earthquakes throughout the world that had a PGA well over 1.0 G and some of them have had PGA of nearly 3.0 G. In the field of seismology, engineers are trying to hit a moving target So every time engineers think they've designed a better building, nature always seems to make a better earthquake.

 

engineers are trying to hit a moving target So every time engineers think they've designed a better building, nature always seems to make a better earthquake.

Rather the same principle in most things in life. Theory Vs reality rarely favors theories expectations and is pretty much why I don't go looking for what-if problems to deal with that have not actually manifested into reality to any level I have had to make adjustments in my actions for.

Until something starts becoming a noticeable regular problematic occurrence I have to deal with I consider old reliable tried and true to be more than sufficient even if some engineering books say it shouldn't work that way.

Then theres that issue of just maybe I know something from first hand experiences that most others who adhere to book theory principles don't.

 

A bit less than a decade ago while my wife was still in Taiwan waiting for her Visa to process, they had a typhoon that hit the central part of the country. One city on the western coast received 84 inches or rain in one day! The damage was pretty severe, but nothing like we typically see with much smaller amounts. Of course the reason is fairly obvious -- that area ALWAYS gets lots of rain every year and so the terrain, as well as how it has been built up, are simply able to deal with a lot more water than areas like Houston, which have limited abilities to absorb lots of water.

Where I'm at, just a few inches in a day is a major storm causing lots of damage and not uncommonly a few deaths. But we are a semi-arid climate with a lot of clay soils that can't absorb or hold water and the mountains to the west channel the runoff of large geographical areas into rivers that simply are neither wide nor deep.

Hi,

Wow, that's (84 inches) nuts. I understand now that Florida could see surges of 10 feet! That's really really nuts.

Yes i understand that there are more dimensions to it than just the inches of rain. I figure Florida is vulnerable though because it has low lying areas that will flood easily. I guess we will know for sure very soon now.

I know someone who lives in Ft. Lauderdale and they boarded up the house. The eye seems to be still heading a little west so it is now more on the west side. Lucky for them, although the storm is pretty wide now.
Not all people followed the mandatory evacuations.

 

The building codes in earthquake prone California are largely based on data from strong motion seismographs located throughout the area. These instruments measure Peak Ground Acceleration (PGA) which is the main parameter that influences damage.

However, prior to the late 1960s, there were very few of these seismographs and the PGA in many of the earthquakes that occurred before that time was largely based on estimates rather than instrumental data. Consequently, the estimated PGA used by the Los Angeles building code was 13% of gravity (0.13 G) and many buildings were designed to this number.

However in the 1971 San Fernando Valley Earthquake, seismographs near the the epicenter recorded a PGA of about 1.0 G and that motion severely damaged many buildings including three hospitals. The brand new Olive View Hospital in Sylmar was designed for a PGA of at least 0.13 G, but it was also the most prominent building that incurred fatal damage and partial collapse.

Since 1971, there have been many earthquakes throughout the world that had a PGA well over 1.0 G and some of them have had PGA of nearly 3.0 G. In the field of seismology, engineers are trying to hit a moving target So every time engineers think they've designed a better building, nature always seems to make a better earthquake.

Hi,

Well sure, but then again a better designed building holds up better and protects more lives even if not perfect. Nature is like that...nothing can shield it if an asteroid hits.