I got it to work.

It isn't as funny as joeyD or TCM, but it opens as a .pdf

 

Here you go:

Thanks for the images, I've created a new PDF with them, this oughta do it...

 

Hello,

I already created a new PDF in post #38, before joey posted the images.

Bertus

 

Well... in that context I'd say I agree... the word engineer after all, comes from the word ingenious ...

The title "engineer" stemmed from those who serviced and maintained steam engines hence the term engineer.

 

The term engineering itself has a much more recent etymology, deriving from the word engineer, which itself dates back to 1325, when an engine’er (literally, one who operates an engine) originally referred to “a constructor of military engines.”

 

The title "engineer" stemmed from those who serviced and maintained steam engines hence the term engineer.

I'm referring to the latin root of the word... perhaps in english it has a different etymology, but maybe engine itself comes from ingenious too! I'll have to check the facts...

 

"Engine" was originally a term for any mechanical device that converts force into motion. Hence, pre-industrial weapons such as catapults, trebuchets and battering rams were called "siege engines". The word "gin," as in "cotton gin", is short for "engine." The word derives from Old French engin, from the Latin ingenium, which is also the root of the word ingenious.

cmartinez, you are vindicated.

 

cmartinez, you are vindicated.

Ahhhh.... thank you very much, my friend... I bow to you...

 

 

Hello,

I already created a new PDF in post #38, before joey posted the images.

Bertus

Sorry for all the trouble. The file opened fine for me (still does) and others I have sent it to. I didn't know it would clog anyone up.

 

An update on the word ingenious, which is directly related to the word engineer...

Ingenio aparece desde Nebrija bajo la forma engeño, con el sentido de 'máquina de guerra' o como la habilidad de inventar «lo que de otros no aprendimos» y se entendió como la habilidad de idear y construir máquinas de guerra. Los constructores de esas máquinas o engeños se llamaron engeñeros, de donde proviene ingeniero.

Translation:
Ingenious appears since Nebrija (died 1522 A.D.) under the form engeño, which is related in a sense to "war machine", or the ability of inventing "what we did not learn from others", and it was understood as the ability of conceiving and constructing war machines. The builders of said machines, or engeños, were called engeñeros, which is the source of the word engineer.

Personal note: The word engeño itself, sounds strangely familiar to the modern word engaño, which is the spanish word for "cheat" or "deceit" ... kind of sad, when you think of it... it means that it takes a smart and creative person to take advantage of those who are not.

@atferrari

 

Personal note: The word engeño itself, sounds strangely familiar to the modern word engaño, which is the spanish word for "cheat" or "deceit" ... kind of sad, when you think of it... it means that it takes a smart and creative person to take advantage of those who are not.

@atferrari

Hola César,

Your conclusion appears as reasonable only when you read the words but, by their sounds, you can perceive the difference because the "g" sounds different (as in English, BTW). Tracing "engaño" back to Latin you get "deceptio".

BTW, engineers in vessels, here in Argentina we call them "maquinistas" while most of Spanish speaking countries mention them in the crew list as "ingenieros".

With the pleasure of adding to confusion.

Had Babel did not occurr and DNA been available some 20 centuries ago, what a boring world this would be...!

 

Translation:
Ingenious appears since Nebrija (died 1522 A.D.) under the form engeño, which is related in a sense to "war machine", or the ability of inventing "what we did not learn from others", and it was understood as the ability of conceiving and constructing war machines. The builders of said machines, or engeños, were called engeñeros, which is the source of the word engineer.

Personal note: The word engeño itself, sounds strangely familiar to the modern word engaño, which is the spanish word for "cheat" or "deceit" ... kind of sad, when you think of it... it means that it takes a smart and creative person to take advantage of those who are not.

Stealth, deception and the camouflage of ones actions are engineering responsibilities needed for the "war machine" to take advantage of the enemy.