Glad I'm not a passenger

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://www.kptv.com/2024/08/03/pol...ne-portland-during-street-takeover-crackdown/

PORTLAND Ore. (KPTV) - Two people were killed and another hospitalized after a police chase ended with a crash in northeast Portland on Friday night, according to the Portland Police Bureau.

The officers began to chase the car while other units started setting up spike strips.
However, about two minutes later, the Gresham officers reported that the speeding car had crashed into a utility pole and rolled over at Northeast 122nd Avenue and Northeast Marx Street, PPB said.
Two people inside died at the scene, and a third was taken to the hospital with serious injuries. Police did not say what condition the person was in.

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panic mode

Joined Oct 10, 2011
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travelling used to be so much more fun than it is now. in fact right now i am stuck at ATL...

week ago my flight from Toronto to Atlanta was delayed due to unscheduled maintenance. they also lost my luggage. had to wait and missed deadline to pick my rental car but this part was resolved after some additional delays. i could not call them since my phone calls were instantly ended. probably due to recent plan change. to get to rental car had to first take a shuttle bus and sky train. lines were long and it was miserably hot and humid and i had no spare cloths. so on a sunday evening i was forced to run around trying to find some place that is still open to get some clothing. but 20min into driving and my GPS broke. it got stuck in a loop and kept rebooting and beeping loudly. of course rental car did not have one built in. at least phone still had text and data so it worked fine as a backup GPS. this allowed me to continue to place near Savannah GA. next days were marked by heavy rains and floods. trying to find some food also became a challenge and many restaurants closed due to storm. but not everyone closed so i was good... the phone tech support guy answered at 1AM only to say he is sorry for not getting to me sooner and that his shift is over and that he would follow up. but he never did... so the week went by, then today just as i was returning car, i got message that return flight was cancelled due to more mechanical issues. they put me on another flight that is some 6h later. so... at least star alliance lounge has my needs covered... the lady that was letting me into lounge said she is busy talking but i should just go in and leave the boarding pass with her - she would bring it to me after she is done chatting. i told her there is no way i am going to let that pass out of my sight... so got some food and vine. doing some programming. and if nothing else goes wrong i should be home tonight. yey...
 

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cmartinez

Joined Jan 17, 2007
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This guys are definitely glad they were not passengers:

"The guy said I wouldn't be boarding anymore because it was an hour before boarding," Assis said.

He said he pleaded with the agent to allow him to board the flight but the agent refused.

"I argued with him and stuff, and that was it, and he saved my life, man," he told the outlet as he teared up with emotion. "He did his job because... if he hadn't done it... maybe I wouldn't be in this interview today, sorry."
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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A very interesting dissertation on how to deal with a stalling event by Erika Armstrong in her LinkedIn account.
This is 100% the standard instruction on spin recovery: Power out, ailerons neutral, nose down, opposite rudder, slowly let the aircraft return to level flight.

But I would take issue with her that all of these steps are counterintuitive. It's like getting into a skid in a car -- students are told what to do and then are warned how unnatural and counterintuitive it is, so they are needlessly panicked the first time they get into a skid only to discover that what they need to do and what they want to do naturally align very nicely. I've been in one spin, and it was as a very low-time student pilot (I had a grand total of 5.4 hours of solo time). I was doing an accelerated-maneuver stall in which you bank the aircraft 45° and pitch up 45° under full power and then pull back into a stall. I hit some turbulence just as I pulled back that threw me into a skid, resulting in my lower wing breaking loose (stalling) first, which resulted in my upper wing taking me over the top inverted and down into a spin. I remember yelling out loud, "I haven't been taught spin recovery!" I only knew what I had been told and read. But every step was performed properly and in order because every step was quite natural and just seemed like what you should do in that situation. The one that I always feared would be the one thing that I would mess up is stomping on the "opposite" rudder -- what the hell makes one of them "opposite"? But that only matters if you are having to think about which one is opposite and you don't - plane-turny-that-way-makes-you-want-to-stompy-that-pedal is all that is needed.

Now, having said that, spin recovery (along with just about everything else) is a lot more involved with larger and more complex aircraft. Also, things can happen that result in the aircraft being unrecoverable, such as control system malfunctions or load shifting. I haven't heard how long into the flight the crash happened. If it was shortly after takeoff, one thing they will look at very closely will be whether it was loaded within weight and balance limits.
 
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nsaspook

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