Now we have this:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/15/turkey-coup-attempt-military-gunfire-ankara

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/turkey-military-blocks-bridges-istanbul-160715195444742.html

Kind of looks like it's working from TV reports.

 

Kind of looks like it's working from TV reports.

If and this is a big IF the coup results in a secular military government instead of the current Islamic Republic that traded with ISIS for oil, murdered innocent Kurdish people with air attacks on Kurdish separatists and created a government that couldn't be called corrupt because corruption assumes some honest officials existed in the current government it might be for the best instead of a civil war.

 

An Arab Spring reset perhaps?

 

NATO at Russian borders, Russia on EU borders, Middle east is on fire, Turkey under civil unrest, EU on shaky ground, racial troubles in USA, terrorism on rise, global crisis every few years. That's how world wars start.

 

If and this is a big IF the coup results in a secular military government instead of the current Islamic Republic that traded with ISIS for oil, murdered innocent Kurdish people with air attacks on Kurdish separatists and created a government that couldn't be called corrupt because corruption assumes some honest officials existed in the current government it might be for the best instead of a civil war.

Hard to decide what to wish for.
No one has emerged on the coup side.

 

Time. For. War.

No thanks - I've already got more wars than I can use.

In fact, I'm going to be listing most of them for sale on eBay:
Afghanistan: $750 Million
Iraq: $1.2 Trillion
Syria: $500 Million.

You can get a 30% discount if you buy all three.

 

Even if Glenn's numbers are incorrect. To hell with wars. It is enough when your own body starts attacking itself.

 

A hundred years ago the World War could have been prevented if the Kaiser had not given the Austrians the assurance that should war between Austria-Hungary and Russia prove unavoidable, 'Germany would be at Austria's side.' Nowadays I don't think that such a situation could occur. The nearest we have had was the Cuban missiles incident between Kennedy and Khrushchev in 1962.

 

Just waiting for the terror attack to be blamed, as usual, on the Israeli "occupation".

You wait for that one. I'll wait for the attack to be blamed on, "not enough gun laws".

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ife-son-four-victims-Bastille-Day-horror.html

RIP

 

France has about 2.5M legal guns and about 18M illegal ones. Obviously, they have a huge black market in weapons which makes sense since they have a history of being arms merchants.

 

I wonder why no one has stated the obvious. Send ALL Muslims to a Muslim country. From what I gather countries with no Muslim populations do not have a problem. If they all are sent to Muslim countries they can fight amongst themselves till hell freezes over.

 

The militant form of Islam is a conquest ideology cloaked in religiosity. It's stated and demonstrated intent is good old fashioned world domination. It finds easy soft targets in socialist, disarmed Europe.

It's multifaceted guerrilla tactics are tailored to the target: use the weak immigration policies of the target country against it to overwhelm the indigenous people with social program costs and high immigrant birth rates while encouraging non-assimilation and fomenting radical ideology amongst the immigrant community; use the target country's egalitarian sensibilities against it by playing the victim card to get special legal privileges such as sharia law zones; commit mass murder as a recruiting tool and to demonstrate the fecklessness of the target country; continue and repeat until victory is achieved.

It's sickening to watch a modern democracy, well, several of them, face an existential threat with such passivity.

 

I wonder why no one has stated the obvious. Send ALL Muslims to a Muslim country. From what I gather countries with no Muslim populations do not have a problem. If they all are sent to Muslim countries they can fight amongst themselves till hell freezes over.

Knock Knock.
Whose there?
The religion police. Are you Muslim?
I don't think we do that here.

 

ronv, thats probably why the socalled western democracies will lose the fight against the terrorists. This will go on for years yet.

 

The militant form of Islam is a conquest ideology cloaked in religiosity. It's stated and demonstrated intent is good old fashioned world domination. It finds easy soft targets in socialist, disarmed Europe.

It's multifaceted guerilla tactics are tailored to the target: use the weak immigration policies of the target country against it to overwhelm the indigenous people with social program costs and high immigrant birth rates while encouraging non-assimilation and fomenting radical ideology amongst the immigrant community; use the target country's egalitarian sensibilities against it by playing the victim card to get special legal privileges such as sharia law zones; commit mass murder as a recruiting tool and to demonstrate the fecklessness of the target country; continue and repeat until victory is achieved.

It's sickening to watch a modern democracy, well, several of them, face an existential threat with such passivity.

I think we've seen this happen in Rome as Constantine hands over the army to the Pope and Papacy begins a war on non-believers which amounted to "one" of the largest genocide ever committed in human history. 7 million before it was stopped by a french General Napoleon who turned the laws around and back to a secular system when he deposed the Pope in Rome.

Many of us here can enjoy to worship or not to worship and have the freedom to move about on the planet without persecution as long as we remember what happened in the past and not allow "Times, Laws, Powers" to be corrupted. The Catholic Church is still at work in the background and most people do not know it, Paganism still abounds. Christmas is just a veil of a holiday during December.

" Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration."

I'm just saying it seems odd that Christmas is held during this time and the actual births of christ by historians say it was in Sept and I find it even more "odd" that it was stated

"The DePascha Computus, an anonymous document believed to have been written in North Africa around 243 CE, placed Jesus birth on March 28. Clement, a bishop of Alexandria (d. ca. 215 CE), thought Jesus was born on November 18. Based on historical records, Fitzmyer guesses that Jesus birth occurred on September 11, 3 BCE.

Ok, Sept 11th Hmn intersting choice.

Sadly the Pope cloaked the holiday along with other such Religious rights and still continue to act as a power in the world shaping world events.

Quote came from this source. http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm

I have no idea of it's accuracy or claim they have the whole story. Just food for thought.

kv

 

...the army to the Pope and Papacy begins a war on non-believers which amounted to the largest genocide ever committed in human history.

There's a lot of competition for that claim. Perhaps you've never heard of this guy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur

"Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population.[9][10]"

 

There's a lot of competition for that claim. Perhaps you've never heard of this guy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur

"Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population.[9][10]"

Thanks, I'll have to Add a "One" of the Largest. I'll make the correction.

While we are on the subject when ever you see Genocide carried out by any group their is a common thread, Communism should be added along with many other Religious organizations. Along with Islam and group them together. Any Organization can be or will be corrupted eventually, if good people don't exercise their personal rights to keep Gov Secular, separation of church and state is one of the most important systems anywhere in any Gov for Democracy to be affective.

kv