I'm quite skeptic when it comes to subjects like exorcism. However, I have close friends, very rational people, who happened to have been eyewitnesses of the so-called supernatural phenomenon. Not saying that I accept it, but I find it hard not to believe my friends.

 

Some people believe when they see it.

 

Some people believe when they see it.

And some dont, unfortunately.

 

And some dont, unfortunately.

Alas...true

 

I asked my girls (around 8 and 10 at the time) if they believed in ghosts. They were emphatic, yes. So I asked them where they had seen them. On TV! they replied.

I do not rule out ghosts, but I've yet to see credible evidence other than TV.

 

Why do things like gremlins,trolls, and other critters only show up then it dark I guess it is reason for that

 

If you are not on a mission,why pursue this thread for peoples
sightings and belives on there Inner soul,you have the unanswered
question that brothers you.You may have your own belives that you
want to confirm.There Is a lot public statements about what you
should belive. What do expect from a subject that Is so close to
a persons soul,and that you have no choice but to belive from you
have been told from a child. If you chose to go aganist this,then you
would be called a convert.Which Is allowed In a free thinging world.
You have to choose the world which you want to live. This Is a
deep personal choice that does not play out on the Internet,with cheer leaders from
the side lines seeking and commenting on others belives and there demons
for fun conversation,without looking within first.This is not a thread,it
where you can jump In and make a statement and disappear until you
want change direction again, by using someones post.This post has no
where to go,just to feed cheerleaders.
There are crediable posters,I am not speaking to them.

 

Some people believe when they see it.

Actually, I would rather say, it becomes a fact to them and would no longer be a belief. Believing in something implies lack of proof of that something.

 

If you are not on a mission,why pursue this thread for peoples
sightings and belives on there Inner soul,you have the unanswered
question that brothers you.You may have your own belives that you
want to confirm.

Why pursue the thread?

Because people ARE responding. Its called conversation.

It started with a movie that struck an interest in Riffa to wonder what we thought.

This thread is the result of that question and the natural path that these questions follow.

Scientific minds will probe for answers to just about any question that interests them. We DONT have any answers, so we are probing.

You can consider that the mission, loosewire.

Actually, I would rather say, it becomes a fact to them and would no longer be a belief. Believing in something implies lack of proof of that something.

@nanophotonics, I agree. I does then become FACT to them. You dont need faith for fact.

 

That is correct. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition. Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
Source Monty Python argument sketch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

 

I didn't see the movie,I lost that part of this long thread.
So I admit when I am dumb and wrong and don't keep up with
the thread,So I lighten up and go with flow.I like to see guys
engaged In a post. So carry on------

 

I asked my girls (around 8 and 10 at the time) if they believed in ghosts. They were emphatic, yes. So I asked them where they had seen them. On TV! they replied.

I do not rule out ghosts, but I've yet to see credible evidence other than TV.

TV's.. kid's...

sorry no ghosts..I don't believe in them, but jinns., come here and I will scare you back with in minutes

 

sorry to shift subject on same line of thought.
I dont believe in a one god, been places most dont come back from. seen things that would make some walk in wet pants . jinn ,Ghost, demon ,devil, satan, evil, evil is a point of societal veiw. like human sacrifice good for the village bad for the sacrificed.
my grandpa always said he was going to hell for the things he did, he taugh bible studies on sundays? helped anyone who asked. and you know he did go to hell.
it was his choice after death, not a gods or satans choice.
demons, jinns want one thing to "feel" a tired teen or person wants out its an easy entry for the thing. imagin being! having no memory, no pain, no pleasure, a nothing existence . some lost person who wants out will share what they have with you,
now maybe you get what it it is to need to possess.
its less common now with the way society is pre disposed to self gratification.
no room to let some measly beasty in and ruin your week spending al that money on the credit card.
as for heaven and hell, one mans garbage is anothers treasure. viking and spartans believed hell was the cats meow all that violence hacking and killing over and over again what fun!! the fire and clay was a metaphor ("it com from the greek" "Joke"
every one will get it sooner or later mostly later!!)
its about seperation or discrimination by people who want to seperate you from the rest of the world. us against them, why not me, were better than them because???

you will think me nuts now, but trust me on this. when your finally ready to move out of what your living in now, remember what it was that made you stay so long, because when you get to where your going everybody there will want to know why it took you so long to figure it out. to feel is to be truly alive no mater what you think if you have no ability to feel any thing you must be evil! we are made of clay, earthly solid, we have an ability to move and change the things around us the other are ethereal thy must expend a million times the energy to move any thing here in our world. to posess is a great feat limited in its nature but worth the cost to feel any thing.

 

Very interesting point of view.

In poorer nations, when you couldn't have more money than another group, people use religion as the separating barrier. In this high dollar world we live in, it is too easy to separate the classes by wealth, color, and sexual preference, so relegion has taken a back seat to many because they have other ways to feel superior.

Why say "We make the same amount of money, drive the same car, live in the same neighborhood, and you married my wifes twin, but you dont go to church, so you are a heathen worthless soul."

Its easier to say "Sucks to be you... im mean being Canadan and all."

 

funny thing about birds is they can feel things we cant.
a spooky goblin comes through the wall in your house , you have a bunch of birds they will know. question is is it evil of a creature to want to feel life?
there need to enter into a human being simply for the pleasure of it. doing it to comitt a bad deed isnt noted anywhere that i know of, we as people are evil enough in general terms. just sitting at home on sunday watching a game and having a beer keep all us sinners from droping the 5 spot into the collections tray. that darned evil football made us do it or was it the half time hope of seeing another boob?
i like going fishing on sundays to is it a sin to collect food and enjoy it at the same time, without being made to sing in a corus off key while holding the lether bound volume of king james? i cant kiss the ring.
as for canada what are you guys thinking up there?? you need to protest a bit more
the cost of lunch at dennys or the grand slam was almost double down here in Az.
but ill tell you at mcD's the sausage Mcmuffin is 100 times better than in the lower 48 at about the same price
the sausage was pretty darned good. down here they must do somthing wrong its never been the same since. im almost sorry i went

in hebrew to sin is to miss the mark or to not go with the formula for success to stray from the path , to not be the best that you can be as a person.

if a kid spends all his time playing nintendo,to some "he is a sinner" for not folowing the path,, but if he latter goes and winns at a gamers compotition and wins the championship and takes home a new car and ps3 then his he now "not a sinner" because he chose his own path to success?

hmm??

 

When you are not doing what your elders expect of you (playing video games on the floor in the living room all hours of the day and night) you are sinning (to them)

But once you win the competition, you must of had a divine whisper to tell you what to do that the elders couldn't hear. That makes you "more holy".

 

In my opinion anyone who does not believe in god of any type are lost than any other.
It's becuase they donno any better, and the fact they don't wanna find out.
If you truly want to search for something you will find it.

Ever wonder what happen to the scientists who started to find out how humans are made and born.
Ever thought of what each and every scientist found today was mentioned decades ago.
If you are aware then you will know these things.
Look at the sky at night and wonder how and why the stars are there and why they move the way they do.
each and everything has a cause and a reason why they are there.
There is a reason why our solar system has the planets that we have.
Why did Jupiter is in the orbit that it is. What scientists believe in Jupiter's function is mentioned way before they ever thought of it.
We know this and read this every day. we are not scientists cause we don't need to be. we know what they know and what they find. Only difference is we do not need a fact to believe it. that's something you will never have.
Start searching and start learning and finally in the end you will believe. but you want cause you desire the earth's pleasure. what good is a treasure if you cannot take it with you.
Our treasure is something we can take with us.
Not like the Egyptians who bury their gold with them. What value does it hold when it can be destroyed. What value is in something you have but in the end you will leave it.

As for kids. they don't sin until puberty, from that point their action will be judged and the parents should guide them, as children are the most valuable gift given to us.
And it is our duty to have them to continue the human generation.

 

iv been there done that, been dead been back.
you wake up to alot mor once youve been through the looking glass.
like i said before you cant truly define evil. you cant call a jinn evil and an angel good.
in there world you are the evil one because you were given something they cant have.
think about what its like to create any thing. a plate ,a circuit, a life, to simply be.
and know when you leave this life you have left somthing behind.
the only thing we take with us is what we have done here our memories and what we have felt are what we take with us, something these little goblins cant do.
GOD did not create us in his image we created God in ours. we found a way through chaos to think, create and destroy. there is a heaven and hell its the same place.
its what you create when you leave what you use to feel everything around you.
you create your new way of feeling by creating your environment from nothing.
i found this out at 15 .
remember who you are on your last day, no need to fear that you havnt worshiped the right god. think deeply and create.
in the begining there was the word, and from the word all things were created.
the transference of a thought to another being is the begining of creation.
imagin enough beings thinking one thought at the same time great things could happen. the creation of a place where these same beings could go to do something no others could do.. feel, remember, return, create, return to feel.

check out the movie with robin williams, "what dreams may come"
its an interesting veiw.

 

iv GOD did not create us in his image we created God in ours. we found a way through chaos to think, create and destroy. there is a heaven and hell its the same place.
its what you create when you leave what you use to feel everything around you.
you create your new way of feeling by creating your environment from nothing.
i found this out at 15 .
remember who you are on your last day, no need to fear that you havnt worshiped the right god. think deeply and create.
in the begining there was the word, and from the word all things were created.

The only problem with this is that there is an opinion of the Big Bang Theory. We all came from nothing. So what was there prior to something if not God. Something must have started it all out.

 

I know you said no newbies but I must reply.

I believe in Heaven, hell, angels and demons (Jinn if you will). My son actually sees different spirits around him (good and bad). I belive that it is possible to be possessed but only if you allow the possession. I also believe that it is possible to exorsize a spirit because I know those who have performed them. I have witnessed great evil and feel a good power around me. I believe in the unnamed one true God and believe that he has come to earth in the form of a human person named Jesus to show us the path to be saved. Mankind make mistakes but truth is truth and is easy to recogize when seen.