EVs

GetDeviceInfo

Joined Jun 7, 2009
2,271
Hell no, electrical engineers are too smart for that sort of magical thinking.

The first thing we see is failure modes and how, with what, it will take to fix those failures. I've rebuild engines, drive-trains and most of the major component blocks, on regular cars since I was a teen.
Most EV's are a proprietary black box from front to end, run by proprietary closed source software and hardware that a insurance companies will total instead of even trying to fix with minor damage due the cost of repairs.

Electrical engineers don't believe in being locked out of the things they buy. Electrical engineers buy a salvage title EV to see if they can rebuild it after discovering how the proprietary black boxes work.
Our company does electric conversions of vintage vehicles. 50k to destroy the value of a collectable. I’d say most are technically smart at something.
 

killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
836
I’ve been thinking about selling my motorcycle and purchase a E-bike, it’s difficult from me to put that much cash down for it, last I seen was about $1700 for one.

Maybe someone has suggestions on a good but Cheaper version.

kv
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
6,281
I’ve been thinking about selling my motorcycle and purchase a E-bike, it’s difficult from me to put that much cash down for it, last I seen was about $1700 for one.

Maybe someone has suggestions on a good but Cheaper version.

kv
Don't charge/store it inside your house or apartment:

 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
16,325
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/24/business/ford-earnings-ev-losses/index.html
Ford just reported a massive loss on every electric vehicle it sold
Ford’s electric vehicle unit reported that losses soared in the first quarter to $1.3 billion, or $132,000 for each of the 10,000 vehicles it sold in the first three months of the year, helping to drag down earnings for the company overall.
I'm sure a lot of that is from startup costs but future sales are not looking pretty to close that gap to a profit soon with declines in ICE vehicles too.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
6,281
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/24/business/ford-earnings-ev-losses/index.html
Ford just reported a massive loss on every electric vehicle it sold


I'm sure a lot of that is from startup costs but future sales are not looking pretty to close that gap to a profit soon with declines in ICE vehicles too.
Two options going forward: massively subsidize US auto companies with taxpayer funds (i.e. pay for rich people's cars with poor people's money), or gift our auto industry to China.

There is no third way.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
16,325
Two options going forward: massively subsidize US auto companies with taxpayer funds (i.e. pay for rich people's cars with poor people's money), or gift our auto industry to China.

There is no third way.
So, sell out to China or become China. The Chinese EV (and general) market is a blood-bath. The third way is don't buy EV.

It's a robo-video but pretty good.
 

BobTPH

Joined Jun 5, 2013
11,515
I would love to have a no frills EV small truck with 2 seats, 500 lb cargo capacity and 50 mile range. It would suit my needs perfectly. I suspect I could buy that in China, but no US manufacturer would touch it. I was amazed at the super low cost utility vehicles I saw on my trips to China. Every car built in the US is a super luxury model by comparison. They have us trained well to expect that.
 

joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
6,281
I would love to have a no frills EV small truck with 2 seats, 500 lb cargo capacity and 50 mile range. It would suit my needs perfectly. I suspect I could buy that in China, but no US manufacturer would touch it. I was amazed at the super low cost utility vehicles I saw on my trips to China. Every car built in the US is a super luxury model by comparison. They have us trained well to expect that.
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nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
16,325
I would love to have a no frills EV small truck with 2 seats, 500 lb cargo capacity and 50 mile range. It would suit my needs perfectly. I suspect I could buy that in China, but no US manufacturer would touch it. I was amazed at the super low cost utility vehicles I saw on my trips to China. Every car built in the US is a super luxury model by comparison. They have us trained well to expect that.
Those cheap Chinese, slave labor, small EV trucks will never make US safety standards.
 

BobTPH

Joined Jun 5, 2013
11,515
Those cheap Chinese, slave labor, small EV trucks will never make US safety standards.
I am sure you are right about the existing vehicles. That does not mean someone could not build what I want for a lot less the $25000 minimum that a new US pickup costs. Most likely it would be the Chinese.
 
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