Good note about insurance. I'll check my insurer as to how much it might be.

I'm not too concerned about resale value, as I normally keep a vehicle a long time.
Well, the equivalent ICE experience for me doesn't require that.
For my use, Level 1 charging (from a standard 120Vac, 15A outlet) is fine, since I'm retired and only occasionally drive a few local miles (usually no more than 50 round trip) to shop or go to an appointment, so it should still take less than a day to replace the charge for such trips (Level 1 charging typically adds at least 3 miles of range per hour).
Likely I won't even replace the charge after every short trip, but wait until it gets below 50% or so range.
Even if it takes a few days to fully charge after a longer trip, that's still not a problem.

I also have a small, gas-powered pickup as a backup, if needed.

As an added note, I'm not buying a car just for something new, I want one with all the latest safety features (lane guidance, automatic braking/warning. adaptive cruise-control, etc.) which becomes more important at my age (oh to be 80 again) where my reflexes are likely not quite what they used to be.
I have a perfectly fine 2018 Jeep Cherokee with just 60,000 miles on it, but it only has side and back vehicle warning as a safety feature.

OK but that makes me question why a EV is a wise choice when hybrids work much better with level 1 charging in the conditions you listed and can have the same advanced features.

 

OK but that makes me question why a EV is a wise choice when hybrids work much better with level 1 charging in the conditions you listed and can have the same advanced features.

Perhaps a hybrid would be better for you, but I see to reason to add the great complexity and thus reduced reliability, plus the carbon emissions of an IC engine, to the motor and electronics that's already in an EV, just to reduce range anxiety (which I don't have).
It violates my KISS moto.

And I've already explained that Level 1 charging with an EV will not be a problem for me.
Why do you still think it will be?

 

How may horsepower would that motor be rated at, if it were a standard industrial induction motor?

How is that pertinent as regarding an EV?
An industrial motor generally operates under significantly different conditions as compared to an EV motor.

 

Perhaps a hybrid would be better for you, but I see to reason to add the great complexity and thus reduced reliability, plus the carbon emissions of an IC engine, to the motor and electronics that's already in an EV, just to reduce range anxiety (which I don't have).
It violates my KISS moto.

And I've already explained that Level 1 charging with an EV will not be a problem for me.
Why do you still think it will be?

I'm only trying to help you make the best choice. If you didn't want other choices here, then why ask?
https://www.consumerreports.org/car...ata show,problem spots than conventional cars.
Electric Vehicles Are Less Reliable Than Conventional Cars
Hybrids are the most reliable cars and PHEVs the least reliable in CR’s most recent survey; Tesla's Model Y is newly recommended

This year’s survey data show that hybrids continue to be among the most reliable vehicle type: Hybrids have 26 percent fewer problems than conventional models, even though they have both a conventional powertrain and an electric motor and therefore more potential problem spots than conventional cars.

 

hybrids work much better with level 1 charging

Hybrids are the most reliable cars and PHEVs the least reliable in CR’s most recent survey;

So if you are recommending a non-plug-in Hybrid, not a PHEV, then I don't understand the Level 1 charging comment.

And I would only consider a PHEV or a EV, since a non-plug-in hybrid's only advantage is better gas mileage and that's not a big consideration for me.
I want to be able to use electricity, at least on short trips, but EV's are more reliable the PHEVs.

 

So if you are recommending a non-plug-in Hybrid, not a PHEV, then I don't understand the Level 1 charging comment.

And I would only consider a PHEV or a EV, since a non-plug-in hybrid's only advantage is better gas mileage and that's not a big consideration for me.
I want to be able to use electricity, at least on short trips, but EV's are more reliable the PHEVs.

Yes, a plugin hybrid or whatever they call them today. I think reliability has improved on all EV types so it's just a point to consider. The people I know have Plain Jane electrics. Right now the greenness of a EV greatly depends on where you live. We have lots of hydro locally, so we only kill fish.

 

The reliability of new mechanical technologies is always a concern compared to what is established, so it comes down to: does the advantages of the new EV technology here (mechanical simplicity, low maintenance, high efficiency, instant smooth high-power generation, low emissions, plug-in refueling in my garage) more that counterbalance one's concerns about the reliability(?).
My dad was one who liked to take a chance on new designs (he bought a 49 Kaiser auto). I think I take after him.

 

It sounds more and more to me like you've already made up your mind, Crutschow ...

 

I wouldn't buy a EV for its safety features! such as catching fire and being impossible to put out?

Automobile gasoline fires are no picnic either.
From Vinfast:
With an average of 16 electric and hybrid vehicle fires each year, the risk of fire is 1 in 38,000. While with gasoline/diesel vehicles, there are an average of 3,384 fires per year out of a total of 4.4 million vehicles, a fire rate of 1 in 1,300.

From carjunkya:
These vehicle fires account for an estimated 480 deaths, 1,525 injuries, and $1.3 billion in property damage annually in the United States.

So which would you rather drive?

 

It sounds more and more to me like you've already made up your mind, Crutschow ...

Well, I haven't yet heard a compelling reason to change it, Cmartinez...

 

Well, I haven't yet heard a compelling reason to change it, Cmartinez...

Considering what you actually want to use the car for, and how, I haven't either ...

As I said, I'm no fan of EV's. But I like to hear other people's experiences with them. Whatever you decide in the end, I hope it's in your best interests.

 

Automobile gasoline fires are no picnic either.
From Vinfast:
With an average of 16 electric and hybrid vehicle fires each year, the risk of fire is 1 in 38,000. While with gasoline/diesel vehicles, there are an average of 3,384 fires per year out of a total of 4.4 million vehicles, a fire rate of 1 in 1,300.

From carjunkya:
These vehicle fires account for an estimated 480 deaths, 1,525 injuries, and $1.3 billion in property damage annually in the United States.

So which would you rather drive?

I'm not sure if one should trust those statistics. How many deaths were the result of the fire alone, and how many of the result of a collision combined with the fire afterwards?

 

I'm not sure if one should trust those statistics. How many deaths were the result of the fire alone, and how many of the result of a collision combined with the fire afterwards?

Yes, the old saying is that statistics don't lie, but liars sure use statistics.

But the point of my post was not necessarily how many deaths were actually caused by fire, but that fire would appear to be more of a statistical concern with liquid-fuel powered vehicles, than battery powered ones.

I imagine there were similar arguments about the safety of horse travel versus automobile travel when cars first appeared.

 

And, of course, the best reason for me to get an EV is that, shouldn't an electrical engineer own an electric vehicle?

 

And, of course, the best reason for me to get an EV is that, shouldn't an electrical engineer own an electric vehicle?

Hell no, electrical engineers are too smart for that sort of magical thinking.

The first thing we see is failure modes and how, with what, it will take to fix those failures. I've rebuild engines, drive-trains and most of the major component blocks, on regular cars since I was a teen.
Most EV's are a proprietary black box from front to end, run by proprietary closed source software and hardware that a insurance companies will total instead of even trying to fix with minor damage due the cost of repairs.

Electrical engineers don't believe in being locked out of the things they buy. Electrical engineers buy a salvage title EV to see if they can rebuild it after discovering how the proprietary black boxes work.

 

I was saying that tongue-in-cheek.
No need to get your bowels in a uproar.

 

I was saying that tongue-in-cheek.
No need to get your bowels in a uproar.

Sure, it was as tongue-in-cheek as my reply. Designed to get a snarky response.
And then, Shocker, that's what happened.

 

Most EV's are a proprietary black box from front to end, run by proprietary closed source software and hardware that a insurance companies will total instead of even trying to fix with minor damage due the cost of repairs.

To be fair, one could say the exact same thing about ICE vehicles when it comes to their control computers and electronics

 

To be fair, one could say the exact same thing about ICE vehicles when it comes to their control computers and electronics

Exactly but 'engineers' are 'reverse-engineering' those to make them commodity parts instead to totally proprietary closed source software and hardware. They don't change the basic engine and drive physical operation.
I'm sure you noticed that engineers like classic cars that can be fixed and tinkered on forever so eventually EV closed architecture will fail.

As for owning an EV now, ideological reasons are IMO the primary rational today.

 

Sure, it was as tongue-in-cheek as my reply. Designed to get a snarky response.

My post was not designed to give a snarky response.
But it did elicit your usual humble response.