You don't think all that development is feasible.

I have no problem with private speculators using their own capital to build out whatever infrastructure is required to support their privately capitalized for-profit products.

It's when I have to pay -- at the point of a gun -- to fund their endeavors that is the issue.

Feasibility includes positive economic analysis -- something that simply isn't considered with EVs.

 

No, I don't think that, that's only your, IMO, wrong option

What "option" -- going to EV's?
Well, don't much care for your option(s) either.

there will be pain during this conversion. It won't be cheap, easy, or even very convenient in the near future.

I doubt that anyone thinks that reducing the sources of global warming would be cheap, easy, or convenient.

 

What "option" -- going to EV's?
Well, don't much care for your option(s) either.
I doubt that anyone thinks that reducing the sources of global warming would be cheap, easy, or convenient.

Damn auto-xxx. At least you know I'm real and not a bot.

I doubt your doubt. People are somehow 'shocked' that fast food prices increased in Ca when the cost of running a fast food business increases due to laws, inflation, etc.. . Instead they stupidly blame, wait for it, greedy owners.

 

I doubt your doubt. People are somehow 'shocked' that fast food prices increased in Ca when the cost of running a fast food business increases due to laws, inflation, etc.. . Instead they stupidly blame, wait for it, greedy owners.

Sorry, but I don't really see how that pertains to my "doubt".

 

Sorry, but I don't really see how that pertains to my "doubt".

That's fine. We all have our options and opinions.

 

"There's a saying in China that the only product that doesn't explode is a bomb"

 

https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/b...iffs-on-chinese-evs-203127bf?mod=hp_lead_pos1
Biden to Quadruple Tariffs on Chinese EVs
Administration is preparing to announce higher levies on range of Chinese goods next week

https://insideevs.com/news/719283/chinese-ev-tariffs-biden-quadruple/
The Automotive Cold War Is Officially Underway
The White House plans to slap 100% tariffs on Chinese-made electric vehicles, according to The Wall Street Journal.

 

 

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a60603304/fisker-bankruptcy-warning-investors/
Fisker Signals More Layoffs As Bankruptcy Looms
The EV startup behind the Ocean SUV is rapidly running out of cash.

"If the strategic process is unsuccessful, our board may need to approve a liquidation or obtain relief under the US Bankruptcy Code," Fisker warned in the filing.

 

 

I've seen this coming for years...wait till they start dumping their commercial airliners.

 

I've seen this coming for years...wait till they start dumping their commercial airliners.

Even with latest issues from Boeing, Western aircraft will likely still get top billings on commercial airliners. Iran would rather fly a 30+ year old Bell 212 helicopter made by the great Satan than use a brand new Chinese or Russian one for their former President. (flying in such poor weather killed them, not the equipment)

 

Nation states might steer clear of Chinese junk*...but I wouldn't bet on airline companies.

*They can't seem to sell their crappy military stuff.

 

Nation states might steer clear of Chinese junk*...but I wouldn't bet on airline companies.

*They can't seem to sell their crappy military stuff.

Even their commercial, for export planes are mainly western where it matters.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/02/tech/comac-c919-china-aircraft-intl-hnk/index.html

But instead of boosting China’s global stature in technology innovation, experts say the C919 is a symbol of its continued reliance on the West.

That’s because a large chunk of the plane’s parts come from foreign suppliers, predominantly in North America and Europe. Chinese state media has said about 40% of the model’s components are imported, though experts say the real proportion is much higher.

While it is normal for manufacturers to source equipment for their planes from around the world, “the C919 is unique in that almost nothing that keeps it in the air is from China,” said Scott Kennedy, who spent two years leading a team that researched China’s decades-long efforts to develop its own commercial aircraft.

Their conclusion? “The C919 is primarily a non-Chinese airplane with Chinese paint on it,” said Scott, trustee chair in Chinese business and economics at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington.

Dumping their actually domestically produced EV's into the market is much easier.

 

 

For comparison, I drove a 2023 Audi as a loaner for just a few days. It triggered emergency braking once based on nothing I could see. The nearest car approaching me was at least 100 yards away as I attempted a left turn.

 

For comparison, I drove a 2023 Audi as a loaner for just a few days. It triggered emergency braking once based on nothing I could see. The nearest car approaching me was at least 100 yards away as I attempted a left turn.

The false positives are much better usually than not 'seeing' a freight train in front of you.

 

https://financialpost.com/pmn/busin...-cost-less-than-the-average-new-car-in-the-us
Long-range EVs now cost less than the average new car in the U.S.
Competition has taken on a Squid Game vibe, as pressure rises to make EVs affordable and attract buyers

Over the past six months, competition between U.S. auto brands has taken on a Squid Game vibe, as pressure rises to make EVs affordable and attract a new wave of buyers. Customers have become more savvy about battery range, charging speeds and charger accessibility, and are rejecting vehicles that don’t justify the sticker price — something automakers have started to acknowledge.

Affordability is key
The industry has begun “a challenging period, very chaotic, very Darwinian,” Carlos Tavares, chief executive of Stellantis NV, told investors at a Bernstein conference last week .
...
Tavares said the only winning strategy is to offer EVs at comparable upfront prices from the start, even if it requires sacrificing profit margins during the transition phase. He warned that car manufacturers and suppliers will have to reduce costs drastically.
“It’s not ‘Watch out, there is a storm coming,’” Tavares said. “We are in the storm, and this storm is going to last a few years. It’s going to put a number of companies in trouble.”

 

Anyone here have any experience with EVs?

I've looking into buying a new vehicle and just determined that my main concern about limited range (Range Anxiety) with a pure EV has been largely mitigated
Many new EVs have a range of at at least 250 miles, which is fine for any local trips (which is the vast majority of my driving).
But if you take a trip longer than that, I knew that you would have to stop an hour or more to get a decent charge (with the older AC chargers) to continue on the journey.
However that's no longer true. They are now many DC fast charging stations available that can provide an 80% charge in as little as 20 minutes with EVs designed for that, which is not much longer than I usually take for a pit-stop for gas, a rest-room break, and to eat a snack, while traveling.

We occasionally visit our kids in Santa Fe, NM, which a little less than 400 miles from where we live in Denver.
So we could go about 200 miles, get a fast charge, and then reach Santa Fe without a further stop (or perhaps a short one for a quick top-off), not much different then when we drive in a gas powered car with a range of perhaps 300 miles.

We're not ones to take long trips off the beaten path into the back country where there may not be chargers, so that's not a concern.
I also think the batteries are sufficiently reliable to not be a factor.

I like EVs because of their high efficiency, quiet and seamless high power (one mid-sized SUV EV I looked at has a 0-60 time of <5s ! ), low or no pollution (depending upon the electrical source), little required maintenance, and great mechanical simplicity as compared to a standard engine or hybrid vehicle (perhaps hundreds of mechanical parts versus thousands).

Any thoughts on this?

There are hundreds of stories like this, reason enough to steer clear of these - no pun intended...

It's truly shocking how these cars are legal, actually allowed to be sold, totally insane. Everything I see here smacks of poor design, poor management, rushed to market, abysmal software design which is all too common these days.

Frankly I have no idea why anyone would buy one of these, it makes no sense, not to me anyway.