Here at the moment there is a quest to have a manufacturers symbol removed from some 100yr old public utility electrical equipment due to its 1930's connotations.
This is the Swastika symbol used by the company ASEA at its inception. However it did drop it in 1930's due to the Nazi usage.
Personally I don't think that a symbol that has been used by many cultures over the centuries should be eradicated just because it happened to be used by some group with evil intentions.
It would follow that many world art works that bear the ancient symbol should be destroyed in the same manner.
Incidentally, ASEA used the 12,000year old symbol in its reverse to the Nazi version.
Max.

 

Here at the moment there is a quest to have a manufacturers symbol removed from some 100yr old public utility electrical equipment due to its 1930's connotations.
This is the Swastika symbol used by the company ASEA at its inception. However it did drop it in 1930's due to the Nazi usage.
Personally I don't think that a symbol that has been used by many cultures over the centuries should be eradicated just because it happened to be used by some group with evil intentions.
It would follow that many world art works that bear the ancient symbol should be destroyed in the same manner.
Incidentally, ASEA used the 12,000year old symbol in its reverse to the Nazi version.
Max.

It's a battle that can't be won using common sense.

http://www.seattleglobalist.com/201...-tokyo-olympics-seattle-buddhist-temple/47643

Nakagaki says Hitler also recognized the difference between the two symbols.

“The swastika that is used by white supremacists is a hooked cross,” he said. “Hitler himself used the term Hakenkreuz (hooked cross) to refer to his Nazi symbol, not a ‘swastika.’ It is this cross, not the original swastika, that carries the long history of antisemitism in the West.”

 

OK, so there is an issue created by some of the perpetually offended crowd.
What was the meaning of the symbol when it was put on the electrical equipment? It must have had some meaning to somebody at the time, is that information available? Seldom do companies do things for no reason at all, especially if they cost money to do them.
My suggestion is that the offended group be offered the option to pay for the purchase and installation of more modern equivalent equipment to replace the old items that offend them. Then they could be allowed to bid on purchasing the items with the offensive symbol for whatever destruction they felt was proper, while conforming to the applicable EPA and OSHA regulations.

 

I believe that symbol is also used in the NA Indian culture.

 

I think it was simply intended to separate the initials, A.S.E.A..
Max.

 

Whether deserved or not, that symbol has come to represent the absolute worst in humanity. When most people see a swastika (or "hooked cross"), the first thing that comes to mind is Nazism. Any sane company would do everything in its power to disassociate itself from it. I would think that anyone who knows the details of the Holocaust would find the symbol disgustingly offensive, not intellectually but viscerally, as if looking down at your dinner you find it crawling with maggots.

 

Whether deserved or not, that symbol has come to represent the absolute worst in humanity. When most people see a swastika (or "hooked cross"), the first thing that comes to mind is Nazism. Any sane company would do everything in its power to disassociate itself from it. I would think that anyone who knows the details of the Holocaust would find the symbol disgustingly offensive, not intellectually but viscerally, as if looking down at your dinner you find it crawling with maggots.

The Hakenkreuz deserves that sort of revulsion. We should honor the ancient symbol with education, not blind ignorance.

It's much like saying that a symbol of black pride should be banned because a similar symbol was used by criminals and politicos of dubious distinction..

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17739105

I don't need a lesson in the Holocaust. I've seen the effects of a modern version up close and in person using this symbol.

Communist Party of Kampuchea (CPK)

 

I lived through that era and was bombed by the third Reich, but I refuse to allow my emotions and reactions to still be controlled by something as simple as a symbol
BTW, all Nazi German aircraft displayed the Luftwaffe cross symbol, as they still do today, should this be reviled also?
Not pleasant to see and hear a Stuka coming down at you wearing one!
Max.

 

I don't mind about the swastikas and that's up to the manufacturers to decide but some of this stuff like the civil war memorials... hmm. I know in Europe they preserved some of the NAZI barriers that were on the beaches... Also preserved the camps as memorials so we won't.forget.

I think the difference here is that in the south confederate monuments are not seen negatively. Some take offence to that. I hate to see history being erased.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/which-confederate-statues-were-removed-a-running-list

but then again I was ok when they knocked down the Saddam Hussein monument... go figure.

 

I believe that symbol is also used in the NA Indian culture.

It is also used in the religion of Jainism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism

 

The Hakenkreuz deserves that sort of revulsion. We should honor the ancient symbol with education, not blind ignorance.

Why should we honor a generic symbol? It's not like the swastika was a unique cultural symbol that was stolen by the Nazis, and now we should give it back. It's a generic symbol that's been used by many cultures throughout history; unfortunately, it is now deeply connected with Nazism. It's not different than the symbol of the cross being associated with Christianity.

To be clear, I'd never advocate ignorance about anything. I'm not saying that the swastika should be stricken from history or any such thing. All I'm saying is that it's foolish to pretend that the swastika doesn't evokes Nazism.

It's much like saying that a symbol of black pride should be banned because a similar symbol was used by criminals and politicos of dubious distinction.

Not at all. Had the Nazis used a less distinctive symbol -- say, a simple square -- we wouldn't be having this discussion about squares. But the swastika is distinctive enough to be almost uniquely representational. I imagine there are peoples for whom the symbol has no connection whatsoever to the Holocaust, but for the vast majority of Western civilization, the swastika is and will always be the symbol of Nazism.

The raised fist, in contrast, has far too many contexts for it to be associated uniquely with black pride. I mean, baseball players invariably raise a fist while trotting the bases after a game-winning home run, and I'm pretty sure they're not doing it to show solidarity with the black pride movement.

 

I hate to see history being erased.

And still there are no monuments to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, who also turned against the country like the Confederates did.

 

Hey if I was working in marketing for a company that used a swastika logo... guess what it would be gone.

 

I lived through that era and was bombed by the third Reich, but I refuse to allow my emotions and reactions to still be controlled by something as simple as a symbol

No disrespect meant, but I believe you'd have a different opinion if you spent an afternoon talking to a Holocaust survivor.

 

To be clear, I'd never advocate ignorance about anything. I'm not saying that the swastika should be stricken from history or any such thing. All I'm saying is that it's foolish to pretend that the swastika doesn't evokes Nazism.

I'm not pretending it doesn't but the commie symbol is just as vile and I see idiots using it all the time. There is little moral distinction between the white nationalist swastika and the hammer and sickle.

 

The fact that an evil maniac culture committed a large number of really horrible acts is reality, and that should not be forgotten so that it can be prevented from ever happening again. No questions about that. But to go crazy about every instance of a symbol that the organization adopted is sort of extreme. Let the offended parties add a cautionary sign at each location, reminding all who see it just how evil some forms of stupidity can be. Repeating a reminder to avoid repeating an evil mistake is reasonable.

 

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/history-of-the-swastika

Sometimes, Nazi symbols take on neutral or even positive connotations in countries with little or no connection to the history of Nazi ideology and mass murder. The swastika as a symbol of Nazism, other Nazi signs, and even the figure of Adolf Hitler have taken on new life in some countries, where they have come to signify national unity, strength, discipline, anti-colonialism, and law and order. Symbols such as the swastika have a long history. To avoid misunderstanding and misuse, individuals should consider the context and past use of Nazi symbols and symbols in general.

Efforts to eradicate the symbol in the west seem to have only further enshrined the evil regime it was co-opted by. The harder authority figures attempt to quash it out, the greater its power to intimidate.

The way to destroy its power as a symbol of Nazism is to let people see it, talk about it and be educated to the fact it was co-opted by evil. We can desymbolize it and just make it historical reference.

http://www.vintagekidstuff.com/lhjournal/lhjournal.html

 

Those easily offended by such symbols better not go to Korea then. While traveling on the metro one can see hundreds "nazi" symbols on various rooftops and buildings. Its a religious marker over there, but i think the "hooks" are reversed.
If you want to get rid of dangerous symbols , get rid of the dollar sign, its caused more harm than any other.

 

Here at the moment there is a quest to have a manufacturers symbol removed from some 100yr old public utility electrical equipment due to its 1930's connotations.
This is the Swastika symbol used by the company ASEA at its inception. However it did drop it in 1930's due to the Nazi usage.
Personally I don't think that a symbol that has been used by many cultures over the centuries should be eradicated just because it happened to be used by some group with evil intentions.
It would follow that many world art works that bear the ancient symbol should be destroyed in the same manner.
Incidentally, ASEA used the 12,000year old symbol in its reverse to the Nazi version.
Max.

They need to just wait for some freaky kids to spay it with graffiti.