Some times it is better to just accept things as they are presented. Don't over complicate it, some people are easily confused. For example, I once knew a guy who thought the sky was blue all the way up, however far you went. If the moon was up in the daytime it was blue sky all the way to the moon and beyond. The reason you didn't see the blue at night was because it was dark and you can't see anything in the dark.

I never attempted to correct him, it wasn't worth the effort. So anyone who thinks they need to shield the RF can just go ahead and buy all the shielding they want. After all, they must live in constant fear of every electronic object that may emit rays. If they think it helps to have shielding then they will leave the rest of us alone to play with our electronic gadgets.

In 1700, the thought of thousands of people, daily flying between cities around the world, would have seemed farcical.

You can update that to 1900, the airplane wasn't invented until 1903 and many prominent scientist thought manned flight was impossible.

 

Some times it is better to just accept things as they are presented. Don't over complicate it, some people are easily confused. For example, I once knew a guy who thought the sky was blue all the way up, however far you went. If the moon was up in the daytime it was blue sky all the way to the moon and beyond. The reason you didn't see the blue at night was because it was dark and you can't see anything in the dark.

I never attempted to correct him, it wasn't worth the effort. So anyone who thinks they need to shield the RF can just go ahead and buy all the shielding they want. After all, they must live in constant fear of every electronic object that may emit rays. If they think it helps to have shielding then they will leave the rest of us alone to play with our electronic gadgets.


You can update that to 1900, the airplane wasn't invented until 1903 and many prominent scientist thought manned flight was impossible.

Who are these prominent scientists (Lord Kelvin is actually not on that list) that said it was impossible in principle? Leonardo da Vinci knew the problem was power to weight in 1488. Birds are heavier than air so I can't imagine how anyone observant could have concluded that such machines are impossible, only that the current technology (engineering) made it impossible to build in that era.

 

There's quiet a few of these on the market , made from fabric with metal fibers , sold to people to protect from cell phone mast radiation , and anything else the government may beam at us ... but will they work ....?

Is it possible the radiation could enter the opening and resonate ...Amplify and make things worse ?

They don't stop radiated energy from entering your brain. What they do is prevent the energy from the cell phone transmitter from concentrating in a small area (it spreads it out over a larger area). This has the effect of greatly reducing the SAR (Specific Absorption Rate) on point areas of your brain. The mesh spreads out that power, reducing the peak concentration in point areas.

Look at it like this: Equate your RF energy as a laser beam. Pointed right at your skin, the beam has the potential to burn you. Equate the mesh headgear to a laser diffuser. When the diffuser is between the laser and your skin, the power concentrated in a single point is now very much lower than a direct laser shot. It is the RF energy concentrated on a single spot that causes the damage. Spread out that energy and no damage will occur.

 

The brain operates at the 20W level@37C, the sunlight falling on Texas at noon is equivalent to 696 TW solar energy. Why are not already long dead if the heating energy from cell towers far-field radiation is a possible danger to humans?

This is exactly why this topic is ludicrous.

 

See this is the problem with so called experts in this science or that. Most are yahoos that think they know ever fing thing about it because they read a few opinions. EMF exposure is a real issue for a number of people. It is particularly bad because the number one effect of excess EMF is sleep deprivation or sleep cycle interference. Lack of sleep leads to paranoia and often some sort of psychological break. Look up targeted individuals. However true it may be that regular use of cellphones wont hurt you. Electrical engineers and Radio engineers are not exactly social butterfly's and don't use phones for hours a day. I use mine mainly on speaker phone and on some long sales calls the thing is noticeably hot afterwards. like holly crap i cant hold that thing hot.

It is also according to much of my reading that the average cell tower could literally nuke you if the power was focused on you. With towers reaching 500 watts and it being standard practice for cell companies to put multiple emitters on one city based tower at 100 watts each and many overlapping all I have to do is point it in the same place and claim spontaneous combustion. So yeah if you claim emf from cellphones does nothing or emf in general the number one pollution were dumping in our atmosphere does nothing or could do nothing. Your the one with the onerous to prove others wrong in my book. Yet what do they do they mock people, F people like that just F them.

 

See this is the problem with so called experts in this science or that or most yahoos that think they know ever fucking thing about it because they read a few papers. EMF exposure is a real issue for a number of people. It is particularly bad because the number one effect of excess EMF is sleep deprivation or sleep cycle interference. Lack of sleep leads to paranoia and often some sort of psychological break. Look up targeted individuals. However true it may be that regular use of cellphones wont hurt you. Electrical engineers and Radio engineers are not exactly social butterfly's and don't use phones for hours a day. I use mine mainly on speaker phone and on some long sales calls the thing is noticeably hot afterwards. like holly shit i cant hold that thing hot.

It is also according to much of my reading that the average cell tower could literally nuke you if the power was focused on you. With towers reaching 500 watts and it being standard practice for cell companies to put multiple emitters on one city based tower at 100 watts each and many overlapping all I have to do is point it in the same place and claim spontaneous combustion. So yeah if you claim emf from cellphones does nothing or emf in general the number one pollution were dumping in our atmosphere does nothing or could do nothing. Your the one with the onerous to prove others wrong in my book. Yet what do they do they mock people, F people like that just F them.

For some reason we should buy into this madness because of completely non-scientific beliefs based on zero actual evidence. Most of the Electrical engineers and Radio engineers have spent generations around RF power levels that should have killed 100% of us 30 years ago if one scintilla of this EM sensitivity crap was true.

Thanks for making my point again about exactly why this topic is ludicrous.

 

https://www.emfanalysis.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Naval-Medical-Research-Institute-2300-Studies-on-EMF-Health-Effects.pdf

2311 articles collected by the navy that indicate that is not the case.

https://microwavenews.com/news-center/ntp-cancer-results

Study indicating it causes brain tumors in rats. And the worst proof of all is the studies conducted in industry VS's out of industry indicate a similar coverup to tobacco. So where is the 0% of scientific evidence. Here is some evidence right here.

 

Honestly I am sorry i got roped into this. I joined up to learn not to get into debates but arrogance around undecided issues even ones i tend to side on is deplorable. Were all such tinny incontestably small things and you think you know something with great certainty shows the huberous of ignorance on top of your arrogance. Climate change is another such subject where even though i tend to side with the dying polar bears. I realize it may be the earth is flat kind of thing where we really don't understand it all. So i frankly don't get how some fit there heads threw the door in the morning.

 

https://www.emfanalysis.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Naval-Medical-Research-Institute-2300-Studies-on-EMF-Health-Effects.pdf

2311 articles collected by the navy that indicate that is not the case.

https://microwavenews.com/news-center/ntp-cancer-results

Study indicating it causes brain tumors in rats. And the worst proof of all is the studies conducted in industry VS's out of industry indicate a similar coverup to tobacco. So where is the 0% of scientific evidence. Here is some evidence right here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

Totally paranoid garbage that evolves from the normal human fear of death. Cover-ups, conspiracies and reptilian scam artists who are eager to prey on those paranoid fears. A basic knowledge of physics is the cure.
https://www.majr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Understanding_Electromagnetic_Fields_And_Antenna.pdf

 

Honestly I am sorry i got roped into this. I joined up to learn not to get into debates but arrogance around undecided issues even ones i tend to side on is deplorable. Were all such tinny incontestably small things and you think you know something with great certainty shows the huberous of ignorance on top of your arrogance. Climate change is another such subject where even though i tend to side with the dying polar bears. I realize it may be the earth is flat kind of thing where we really don't understand it all. So i frankly don't get how some fit there heads threw the door in the morning.

Debating the virtues of unicorn tears is pointless.
By far the most common health hazard of radiation is sunburn, which causes over one million new skin cancers annually in United States.[3]
Health effects from EMFs

https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0109-cell-phone-radiation-scams

While health studies about any relationship between the emissions from cell phones and health problems are ongoing, recent reports from the World Health Organization will no doubt convince scam artists that there's a fast buck to be made. Scam artists follow the headlines to promote products that play off the news – and prey on concerned people.

 

... even though i tend to side with the dying polar bears...

This is the problem... the polar bears are not dying. In fact, there are more polar bears around today than there were in 1978. When a "scientist" says that he saw a polar bear 20 miles out to sea and concludes that the bear's ice had melted under him and thus "evidence" of global warming, it just shows his ignorance. A polar bear has been known to swim 60 miles with no problem in pursuit of his prey. This is the problem with a lot of the "research" on radiation results from cell phones (and I'm talking about honest research, not outright fraudulent research - which is what a lot of the research on EM from cellphones is), which is mis-interpreting the data and assuming correlation implies causality (which it does not).

 

Who are these prominent scientists (Lord Kelvin is actually not on that list) that said it was impossible in principle? Leonardo da Vinci knew the problem was power to weight in 1488. Birds are heavier than air so I can't imagine how anyone observant could have concluded that such machines are impossible, only that the current technology (engineering) made it impossible to build in that era.

Actually Lord Kelvin was very prominently on that list: https://www.xaprb.com/blog/flight-is-impossible/

 

Actually Lord Kelvin was very prominently on that list: https://www.xaprb.com/blog/flight-is-impossible/

If I remember correctly, Lord Kelvin was a little wacko (although an excellent scientist) ...

 

You can update that to 1900, the airplane wasn't invented until 1903 and many prominent scientist thought manned flight was impossible

Not so. I heard from a good source that they had airports during the Revolutionary War, and he would NEVER lie. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/05/trump-revolutionary-war-airport-claim-memes

 

Not so. I heard from a good source that they had airports during the Revolutionary War, and he would NEVER lie. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/05/trump-revolutionary-war-airport-claim-memes

If you can rewrite history then a lie can become the truth.

 

If you can rewrite history then a lie can become the truth.

Rewrite or not know history?

 

That's exactly why I said the name in a post because it's often used to make this sort of point. I wondered about this long ago and actually did some background research on the actual source articles vs some random Internet list.

Actually Lord Kelvin was very prominently on that list: https://www.xaprb.com/blog/flight-is-impossible/

https://zapatopi.net/kelvin/papers/interview_aeronautics_and_wireless.html

"Your objection, as I understand it, rests upon the unwieldiness of the balloon, but how about the aeroplane? Do you think that that is practicable?"

"No; no more than the other."

"Then we cannot navigate the air at all in a commercial way?"

"No; I think it cannot be done. No balloon and no aeroplane will ever be practically successful."

"But, Lord Kelvin, you remember the experiments of the German, Lindenthal, who used a gliding machine, starting from an elevation and riding down the slope of the air?"

"Yes, but Lindenthal simply threw away his life. He was killed during his experiments, and later on another gentleman who had undertaken the same sort of flying also sacrificed his life. They both threw away their lives without any possibility of success in what they were undertaking to do."

"Then it would appear that, in your opinion, we have no hope of solving the problem of aerial navigation in any way?"

"No; I do not think there is any hope. Neither the balloon, nor the aeroplane, nor the gliding machine will be a practical success. The balloon is the best of all."

This very decided opinion of Lord Kelvin on the impracticability of any of the present methods of solving the problem of aerial navigation certainly seems to throw a wet blanket on the whole matter.

The Lord Kelvin quote (I can't find a source of the impossible line and it looks to be a paraphrase of a question) IMO is out of context like most of the quotes. In full context most are at least cogent.

Simon Newcomb
http://www.garfield.library.upenn.edu/essays/v3p167y1977-78.pdf

Surely our knowledge of natural laws, and that inventive genius which has enabled us to subordinate all nature to our needs, ought also to enable us to do anything that the bird can do. Therefore we must fly. If we cannot yet do it, it is only because we have not got to the bottom of the subject. Our successors of the not distant future will surely succeed.
...
But when we inquire whether aerial flight is possible in the present state of our knowledge; whether, with such materials as we possess, a combination of steel, cloth and wire can he made which, moved by the power of electricity or steam, shall form a successful flying machine, the outlook may be altogether different.

 

Rewrite or not know history?

"History is written by the victors." Winston Churchill

If you don't know history but you are the victor then history will become what you know.

 

If you don't know history but you are the victor then history will become what you know.

You seem to forget how many people both on this site and nationwide believe everything he says. There will be kids studying US history claiming what the recent victor said is true.

 

Here are probably the most important things you need to know and consider: First, a lot of voices here are against the idea. I admit, so am I. However, and here's the second thing; buying it may do more for your peace of mind than anything else. If it feels good - buy it.