Egg prices!

Stock animals on a farm are alive because of their jobs. They are not slaves any more than the farmer is.
I'm not trying to be rude but I cannot comprehend the logic behind statements like this.

Animals don't have jobs besides maybe hunting dogs. In every other case I can think of, they are literally coerced into doing the task. That task is conceived and delegated by humans every step of the way.

This isn't even debatable as far as I'm concerned and this makes them slaves by definition:

"a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be their property; an enslaved person"

And

"a person who works very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation"

Now we can argue what constitutes a "person" but I'm my opinion that is a moot point. Animals of all kinds are much more similar than we are different. Personhood is matter of degree not boolean. For example, a cow shares more characteristics with a human than mussel or clam.

It really boils down to thinking humans are morally above animals. In my opinion, this is itself an immoral and archaic position which modern scholars refer to as "speciesism".

Folks are free to disagree and make up their own minds but don't gaslight others into denying the reality of the situation. I've worked in a slaughterhouse and on the farm. I've seen abuse and control with my own eyes and am well aware of the justifications human's use to exploit animals while sleeping good at night.

In close, I'm shocked at the constant resistance and denial I get from the average person when I talk about things like this. Humans have a long way to go before we can truly call ourselves civilized...
 

wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
18,105
Lamenting the laws of nature is a fruitless effort. Yes, it's sad that there is a food chain, that puppies and kittens are euthanized at shelters, that children starve anywhere on this Earth, that natural disasters wipe out communities.

But these are the facts of life as we find them and there is very little we can do about any of it. Accept the reality and align yourself as best you can. I cannot feel guilty to have been born near the top of the food chain.

We can make our own small decisions to not make the world any worse than it is already. We can choose to treat each other and our fellow critters ethically. That doesn't mean we abdicate our position in the natural order of things.
 

schmitt trigger

Joined Jul 12, 2010
2,090
On these winter days, when one can easily catch a cold or flu, there is no better medicine than a warm chicken with vegetable soup. It is also delicious.
Yes indeed. It is a grandma’s recipe. But it does work.
 

WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
32,852
On these winter days, when one can easily catch a cold or flu, there is no better medicine than a warm chicken with vegetable soup. It is also delicious.
Yes indeed. It is a grandma’s recipe. But it does work.
I picture a chicken wearing a fur coat walking into the room to give you a bowl of soup containing a bunch of carrots and celery sticks. :D
 

schmitt trigger

Joined Jul 12, 2010
2,090
Solution: Eat more beans.

Beans are good for your heart
The more you eat, the more you fart
The more you fart, the better you feel
Thus eat beans on every meal.
 

Art Vandelay

Joined Nov 1, 2024
140
Lamenting the laws of nature is a fruitless effort. Yes, it's sad that there is a food chain, that puppies and kittens are euthanized at shelters, that children starve anywhere on this Earth, that natural disasters wipe out communities.

But these are the facts of life as we find them and there is very little we can do about any of it. Accept the reality and align yourself as best you can. I cannot feel guilty to have been born near the top of the food chain.

We can make our own small decisions to not make the world any worse than it is already. We can choose to treat each other and our fellow critters ethically. That doesn't mean we abdicate our position in the natural order of things.
I'm not lamenting nor is sticking an animal in a cage a law of Nature. I'm making the argument that current animal raising methods are inhumane and in many cases cruel.

I also reject the premise that the "natural order" is a moral position. War is natural, so is rape, theft, pain and a host of other things we all try desperately to avoid. There is a lot of room to improve the way we treat ourselves (self love) and the way we treat others.

That being said, if you happen to be one of those folks who raises their own animals for slaughter or goes the extra mile to shop humanely, then my dispute is not with you.

However, most folks in North American society give their silent approval to the methods I've talked about in this thread. On the other hand, I'm one of those folks who pushes back primarily through boycotting said companies.

Second to that, my goal is to reach that one or two readers who has a critical mind towards these topics and is inclined to changes their ways for the betterment of all life.

This leaves the remaining 99% of people who will read my message and think it's nonsense or "twisted logic". Obviously I'm not going to get through to those people because their minds are not ready or willing to hear what I have to say.

I'm fine with that because an animal's (human) nature isn't going to change overnight. Humans have a long history of using and abusing every available resource and animals are no exception.

Evolution no doubt had a huge part to play but in the modern world, many of these constraints have been eliminated. For example, humans have somewhat evolved to drink cow milk as a food source but we don't need to actually survive. It's a practice that has become commonplace in society that is now de facto true. The bottom line though is that anyone who drinks cow's milk is technically a parasite.

And so, people don't like being called parasites but that's what they are in this case. At the very least, humans should work towards a symbiotic relationship.

Going back to chickens, I don't think anyone with a clear mind can say that keeping a chicken in a cage for it's whole life is the same as letting them roam free. As far as I'm concerned, people who think like this are fundamentally sociopaths.

So, there is a lot we can do to improve the status quo and starting a discussion on things that need improving is one way to do it. Again, I don't expect my message to reach most folks and that's simple statistics regarding human population. Of course, this doesn't mean my arguments or objective are invalid.

Besides, no one really argued any of the premises that I laid out, only the conclusions I drew. Is this because they think I'm nuts or maybe is it because there is no valid rebuttal?
 

killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
836
Dozen Eggs over $9 a carton at Target, haven’t rechecked Walmart yet. Their were storage shelf’s filled with cartons of eggs as if people said bullcrap I’m going to elsewhere.

I eat 2 eggs a day on a fixed income looks like I might need to change my diet.

kv
 
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