Doorbell camera or regular security camera?

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Yes...hardwire would be more secure but if that concerned, fiber would be best..;)

But any kind of hardwiring of this stuff is gonna be a PITA...

None of Ring cams are cheap..199-250 USD each but worth it to me..

My cams are on a mesh network..
Open compatibility is also important so fiber is not a common option.;)

Sure it's a PITA (a millennial could hire a person to do it) but it only has to be done once and the wiring lasts for decades with full bandwidth for 4K A/V signals.

It's a good option for some but not the best IMO for full HD streaming capability with no wireless contention issues or power limitations.
 

djsfantasi

Joined Apr 11, 2010
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And wait a minute. What’s the risk analysis here? Who did it?

The chance of hacking into a local wireless network, where credentials are rarely, if ever, transmitted is, ummm, zero! About he same as hacking into a wired or fiber network.

Because we’re engineers, we can envision scenarios but forget to assess a security risk metric on potential hacks. If after the network is established via a wireless connection, if authentication never occurs henceforth, our exposure is - wait a second - ZERO!
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
16,344
And wait a minute. What’s the risk analysis here? Who did it?

The chance of hacking into a local wireless network, where credentials are rarely, if ever, transmitted is, ummm, zero! About he same as hacking into a wired or fiber network.

Because we’re engineers, we can envision scenarios but forget to assess a security risk metric on potential hacks. If after the network is established via a wireless connection, if authentication never occurs henceforth, our exposure is - wait a second - ZERO!
If only that were true. The basic encrypting protocol is broken for millions of wireless devices that allows for spoofing packets for access point authentication and just about anything else. I can't think of many home security professions that would use wireless for cameras. The physical access requirement is an part important slice of a total security system to reduce wireless DDoS attacks on the communications fabric.

Just one example:
https://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/h...ny-wireless-network-with-aireplay-ng-0185435/

Putting the wireless network offline:
https://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/h...re-based-wi-fi-jammer-with-airgeddon-0176129/

In general:
https://www.securityweek.com/
 
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shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
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Other than using one of these to answer the door without going to the door, what is the advantage or even the use of them? Unless the person caught on a video has killed someone in the house the cops won't use it. If just a burglary you will just have a record of the person for your own satisfaction. The TV ads where the bad guy runs away are a joke.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Other than using one of these to answer the door without going to the door, what is the advantage or even the use of them? Unless the person caught on a video has killed someone in the house the cops won't use it. If just a burglary you will just have a record of the person for your own satisfaction. The TV ads where the bad guy runs away are a joke.
Visible cameras are a crime deterrent and event log. While reviewing flagged events I often cars slowly cruising late at night looking for 'something' while skipping houses with IR halos.

What your local cops do with crime is not universal.
I once had a video of a homeless guy dumping trashcans on sidewalk looking for cans or bottles.
The local cops here knew exactly who the person was, found him and ran his butt out of town.
 

eetech00

Joined Jun 8, 2013
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I can't think of many home security professions that would use wireless for cameras
Ummm...I don’t know about that...wireless cams are pretty much used everywhere around here.

I think the reason is simply economics....they can’t afford not to...

Rather than “resist” the technology, I would learn how to manage it...
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Ummm...I don’t know about that...wireless cams are pretty much used everywhere around here.

I think the reason is simply economics....they can’t afford not to...

Rather than “resist” the technology, I would learn how to manage it...
For a temporary installation or a rental wireless is a good option but this still holds true:

Bottom line, IEEE 802.11 wireless is trivial to jam (by power and/or dead-locking the transmission protocol to critical clients). Joe thug won't do it but Joe career criminal might (cost > $100).
https://www.cs.montana.edu/yang/paper/jamming.pdf
https://witestlab.poly.edu/blog/performance-anomaly-of-802-11b-wireless-lan/
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1208921

There are other wireless systems that have much better security and resistance to DDoS attacks. You don't need to crack encryption to prevent video recordings or stop security sensor activation from a remote hidden location. WPA3 was the fix for WPA2, WPA, WEP. They are all subject to the same congestion attacks and protocol weaknesses. While wireless is great for general computer use, I and most people with actual ECM experience don't recommend it for functions where security and availability are critical. YMMV
 
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eetech00

Joined Jun 8, 2013
4,709
For a temporary installation or a rental wireless is a good option but this still holds true:

Bottom line, IEEE 802.11 wireless is trivial to jam (by power and/or dead-locking the transmission protocol to critical clients). Joe thug won't do it but Joe career criminal might (cost > $100).
https://www.cs.montana.edu/yang/paper/jamming.pdf
https://witestlab.poly.edu/blog/performance-anomaly-of-802-11b-wireless-lan/
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1208921

There are other wireless systems that have much better security and resistance to DDoS attacks. You don't need to crack encryption to prevent video recordings or stop security sensor activation from a remote hidden location. WPA3 was the fix for WPA2, WPA, WEP. They are all subject to the same congestion attacks and protocol weaknesses. While wireless is great for general computer use, I and most people with actual ECM experience don't recommend it for functions where security and availability are critical. YMMV
I hear you :) and agree to the extent that they are not perfect.

But the fact still remains that its still used all over the place and cost will drive its use...
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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SamR

Joined Mar 19, 2019
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My wife put up some outside security cameras after a couple of instances of vandalism to our sons truck. My preferred method of security is what I call my 4 legged doorbell. The only problem is after she gets the barking out her system she would only then lick them to death.
 
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