Last night's episode....too much tunnel chasing *dagnabit*. The dam is looking pretty good though...well so far

Was E7 last night? I was waiting for someone to post something. What I watched looked like a re-run.

kv

 

Was E7 last night? I was waiting for someone to post something. What I watched looked like a re-run.

kv

The History channel does run reruns. The latest episode airs on Tuesday evening and we’re up to S06E05 so far.

 

The History channel does run reruns. The latest episode airs on Tuesday evening and we’re up to S06E05 so far.

Yeah. They have reruns and they also have BS reruns under another name - like "digging deeper" or "the dirt" or some such thing - those have a bit of new footage, I think, but are not new.

The one I saw and referred to in #121 was, in fact, new and, as @wayneh said, is E05. See list here. I don't think that my cable provider's data always lists the episodes with the correct number, although they do add a "new" when first aired. Also, the first episode in the season was a double here and I don't know if that had anything to do with the numbering (i.e., was it E1 or E1 & E2).

Regardless, I am holding to my, "too much tunnel chasing" or maybe "too much cross tunnel chasing". Debris fields form where they feel like forming as far as they can tell, and finding wood got old a while ago. Also, it is sad about the Templar Lady (from two episodes ago) but good that they seemed to preserve her work and toward allowing others access.

Did you catch the conversation with the guy who is writing a book? I got the distinct impression that he needs the Brothers for material and that without them, he's got squat The brother's were all...that's interesting and we would love to hear your take, but I wonder if they were thinking, yeah sure, we will give it all to you so you can sell your book [not]. Alternatively, they are making a deal?

 

Did you catch the conversation with the guy who is writing a book? I got the distinct impression that he needs the Brothers for material and that without them, he's got squat The brother's were all...that's interesting and we would love to hear your take, but I wonder if they were thinking, yeah sure, we will give it all to you so you can sell your book [not]. Alternatively, they are making a deal?

I'm a little surprised that got aired. Ultimately it's advertising for the book, so I think that's what the writer got from the deal. The brothers get a free copy of the book? I'm sure they'd appreciate any novel data the guy has uncovered but are very aware of the asymmetrical relationship.

 

I watched it again last night E5 seemed to look like a re-run because of their promo, as soon as I heard Marty speaking Latin I thought it was something I already watched. Still the promo had almost everything in the Episode. But, I didn't see where they would not reveal any info more than what the viewers have seen, unless is significant to the point they would right a book in the end once they have uncovered the mystery behind the island.

I did notice however Lard Niven the Archaeologist wearing a hat with a Masonic symbol "Square and Compass" What connection if any have on the dig?


kv

 

There was also the fleur-de-lis like find...the metal band speculated to be from a military head gear. So, now after getting it dated and "expertised", we will have evidence that the French Army was guarding treasure there

 

S6 E6

A bit disappointing and E7 will not be aired until Jan 01.

More evidence for the Templar's visiting the New World. This looks like it will be a major contribution of the show. But, they are going to need more than a couple of well-researched/dated relics.

Spoiler

As I suggested in post #104, we now find out what else looks like a chamber on the sonic maps - namely loose sand. This is a big disappointment.

 

There was also the fleur-de-lis like find...the metal band speculated to be from a military head gear. So, now after getting it dated and "expertised", we will have evidence that the French Army was guarding treasure there

Yes, the question is how old is it? We've had English and French at this point in that area, I feel the Catholic Church had more on their minds than Heresy for the Templars, if the Templars found Religious Relics from Solomons Temple it would have had serious consequences for the Church.
Thats why they have locked away books and artifacts of unknown origins, taking history burying it deep just like the money pit. Their spy's were everywhere convinced by the church that the Templars were a Cult that worshiped the Devil. As well as anyone in league with them.
So, the Templars sought out their Templars brothers as well as known Masons. The Templars were the Military arm of the Masons the secret society within a Religious system e.g. Catholic Church, if you want to know your enemy infiltrate it, join their ranks potentially learn their objectives and gain vital information. How far back does the Masonic Society go back?

http://www.shiavault.com/books/global-freemasonry/chapters/6-masons-and-ancient-egypt
The word Hermeticism comes from the name of Hermes, the Greek counterpart for the Ancient Egyptian god "Thoth." In other words, Hermeticism is the Ancient Greek version of Ancient Egyptian philosophy.
Master Mason Selami Isindag explains the origins of this philosophy and its place in modern Masonry: In Ancient Egypt there was a religious society that bequeathed a system of thought and belief to Hermeticism. Masonry held something similar to this. For example, those who had come to a certain level attended ceremonies of the society, revealed their spiritual thoughts and feelings and trained those who were at a lower level. Pythagoras was a Hermeticist trained among them. Again, the organization and the philosophical systems of the Alexandrian school and of Neoplatonism had their origins in Ancient Egypt and there are some significant similarities between them and Masonic rites.60

So, Masonry was a Society believing in Science which was to political and Acidic for the Catholic Church in Europe, the Catholic Church required people to be ignorant and faithful to maintain power, their designs of power began with the fall of Rome, their rise to power had a long history and many people fell to their indoctrination, it was the politics of the day, the King had no power unless backed by the Church. So, the Templars weren't going to allow the Church such Relics or Treasure fall into the hands of Priests and the Pope.

S6 E6
A bit disappointing and E7 will not be aired until Jan 01.
More evidence for the Templar's visiting the New World. This looks like it will be a major contribution of the show. But, they are going to need more than a couple of well-researched/dated relics.

I agree I still say no matter if they find Treasure or Artifacts, the shift in history is way more interesting. But, I would like to see artifacts from Solomons Temple, if the Masons influenced a Jewish order, I would say that order most likely knew the location of Relics from Solomons Temple e.g. the Military Arm then over throws Muslims allowing them to acquire said artifacts which when the Catholic Church realized they had been duped into financing such a mission, they decided they needed to have the right to torture Templars to obtain the location of those Relics e.g. accusing the Templars of "heresy" as well as their amass of gold and silver collected in exchange for their protection, in one fell swoop arresting the Templars leader who by the way should know the location of said Treasure. What else lay just beneath the brothers feet as they search for things a foot or 2 below. I began to think the English and French backed by the Catholic Church never stopped searching for the location of the Treasure, and probably still seek it today.

I hope they don't find it, because if they do I think it would be a blood bath worsening war in Europe and the Middle East, further tilting the world toward world war. The Jews would have a reason to rebuild the Temple on Temple Mount, think about it.

I say spend more time with Metal Detectors, can't wait to see what they uncover in Smiths Cove.

kv

 

YiKeS!

 

YiKeS!

[QOUTE] https://crusaderhistory.wordpress.com/2016/10/11/knights-templar-switzerland/
"With Switzerland located over the border to the east of France. Hundreds of Knights Templar would have easily slipped across the border with their treasures, into this newly formed country.
In 1315, Duke Leopold of Habsburg attacked several hundred men with his force of 2,000 knights and 9,000 foot soldiers… expecting little resistance.

He was in for a surprise, as the Swiss possessed a new weapon, the “Halberd” which was mounted on a long pole, capable of bringing down horses and used like a lance. Leopold lost almost 2,000 warriors that day, and was forced to retreat.

Halberd

Therefore in my opinion a primitive farming country had received outside assistance, enabling them to protect their lands from invading warriors.

The only answer that made sense, Templar Knights had escaped from France, crossed the border into Switzerland and granted sanctuary, bringing with them their military expertise and Templar treasure… buying their way into this new country.
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"The Templar’s were Europe’s bankers from the 11th – 14th century, now the largest banking and financial institutions of Europe are located in Switzerland."[/QUOTE]

[QOUTE] http://www.medievalchronicles.com/medieval-weapons/halberd-weapon/
The halberd weapon’s origins can be traced to the Swiss armies of the 14th and 15th centuries. Early halberd weapons were normally six feet in height and given the fact that they could be produced inexpensively, halberd were extensively used by all Swiss fighters, including peasants. Later, European armies started making use of halberd between 16th and 18th centuries. However, since the arrival of musket and gunpowder hand-weapons, its significance diminished from 16th century onwards.[/QOUTE]

Possibly the knights Templar or Masons still have an influence today, why do we see the Swiss Guard as the Popes personal guard, it's because for centuries the Swiss have played a critical role behind things in Europe, it doesn't surprise me the LHC Headquarters is located Switzerland commanding 23 countries finances.

In search of what? Matter? or the control over it? If what I found above by Muslim Writers we might find that they have a much bigger agenda to bring about a world not dominated by Religious Zealots.

But, they need to yield and explain beyond the HIGS Boson, maybe not in my lifetime but, it would be cool to experience it.

kv

 

WoW kv, your history knowledge in these areas definitely goes way deeper than mine.

 

WoW kv, your history knowledge in these areas definitely goes way deeper than mine.

You're as interested in the history as I am, I hope? which hopefully could change a bit. Not a lot, but bit by bit, we might find facts through the brothers search. A history we never thought possible existed before us.

Enjoy your Christmas time, I look forward to see the future events unfold, if life permits.

Get out the Metal Detectors.... and retrieve history for all of us, I'm still watching regardless of commercials ( Even though I fast forward ) I'm spending time in bed sick, hopefully doesn't last past Christmas.

With the joy of Christmas, I hope this finds you well,

kv

 

So, I did watch the episode aired on New Year's Day and it was a double...and it was disappointing. Now what, they are giving up on sonic mapping and instead will use star charts?? I tell ya, I am getting tired of being led to water and not being allowed to drink - dammit find something!

 

I think they shied away from sonic mapping as a void ended up being sand and not a void.

They sent the data to someone else who has multiple degrees and poof ... another theory.

It looks like they will uncover the "strange U shape structure" according to some trailers.

They have to drag it out for a whole season. Then, when politics gets involved, it may take years for the show to "find" something.

 

All that time spent on the leaky wall. Did anyone think it wouldn’t leak at first? How could it not?

Get on with it already!

And a different look at the seismic data turns into a star map? Good grief.

 

And you guys complain about Ancient Aliens. Forged in Fire is just as bad, they show them forging at heat treating temperatures and then heat treating at forging temps. It's all just reality tv.

 

And a different look at the seismic data turns into a star map? Good grief.

I think we're beta testing for the History Channel, the same producers have a couple other programs, "Vanished" is one of them.

The Star Map is interesting for me, Egypt at the heart of it for both Nights Templar and Masons. The Pleiades constellation, was a significant part of their belief that the Center of the Universe is in Pleiades Star System why wouldn't they lay out a map using these stars. Also the Romans had Mythology about Pleiades and Orion, it would start their time for sailing season in the Mediterranean.

“So, if you continue to look at this drawing table you see at the top the hand of God is holding a chalice or the Holy Grail or the cup of life but what the Freemasons use that as a symbol of is as above so below right and you can use that metaphorical or whatever but if you use it literal then the way they would draw maps is by as above so below. The Stars would be either guide on how they created the map if they were going to make one that's where all the stars align and onto the island and then you have the Pleiades somewhere between the beach and Frog Island and the point star is where this piece would be actually overlays perfectly on Apple Island this is a star map.”

Not to mention he explained searching using Radon Emissions to discover voids, for me is as likely to find something as anyone else. So far they have found 2 rocks, I'd like to see how he can form an opinion based on a 3rd if they found it, but they cut the episode off before we could see if he was correct about the alignment.

kv

 

My problem with the star map is not the "theory" so much as the reality of affixing and overlaying the map precisely to the local geography. You need two points of reference just to get started, to precisely scale and align the maps. Only then can you start looking to see if the other points align to anything. You can't wing it on your first overlay attempt, go out and find a big rock, and then declare success. That was just ridiculous.

The stars in the Pleiades constellation have probably shifted their relative positions over 3 or more centuries. Not a lot, but enough to correspond to tens or hundreds of yards on the ground map. Throw in the low precision of measurement that was possible 3 centuries ago, and it would be very difficult to achieve a meaningful "X marks the spot".

Is it worth pursuing a bit more? Yeah, there might be something to learn. A single clue that panned out would be a big deal. But the way they portrayed it on screen just pissed me off.

The radon thing is interesting but I don't see yet how it's actionable.

 

The stars in the Pleiades constellation have probably shifted their relative positions over 3 or more centuries.
Yeah, there might be something to learn. A single clue that panned out would be a big deal. But the way they portrayed it on screen just pissed me off.

I wonder about the French map. Is it laid out according to a ruff depiction of Pleiades? I really don't think it will match exactly as the night sky, rather their interpretation with markers and distance of their own design, general reference so to speak if they can put a stone laid out according to that on the ground place by the Templars well there you have it. Regardless if it's an exact match to the night sky. But if it should have ended up in a location where other people ripped the crap out of the surface destroying a match then we're back to square one. How much damage did the British do to the island if used as a base camp for the revolution? We still don't have a clear image of what occurred there back then.

kv

 

I think they shied away from sonic mapping as a void ended up being sand and not a void.

Yes, I agree. I even posted that, when I first heard about the sonic mapping before they gave results, the the first thing I would ask is what else looks like a void? Therein lies one source of my frustration...given the expense and the level of expertise, you just know that they have investigated these things before they do them. They don't let the audience know this up front though because it would impede the build up. They did this once where they were leading us to believe that they had found a man-made metal plate somehow impeding anyone from getting into a "vault". Later, after breaking a drill bit, they revealed that it was just a rock...i.e., rocks can do that to.

Since the sonic mapping reveals changes in density, I would think it could still be useful, if the resolution is up to it, because it narrows down the potential targets. But, I am not going to do all the research to find out whether the mapping can also miss voids for some reason (they have to be a certain size?). IOW I can live with the false alarms but if the miss frequency is also high, then why do it at all.

On another note, I literally, laughed out loud when I saw that one guy (my erm least favorite member of the team) out there with a simple caulking gun adding silicon sealer to this big-a$$ dam like he was caulking a bathtub - it just seemed so three stooges like. On the other hand, as someone else mentioned, they do seem to have drained it enough (they found an inland water source?) to find things if we are to believe the previews. Maybe tonight we will see that gold thing.