#### wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
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I've been shopping for a replacement 5W charger (AC to USB adapter) for my phone and I'm getting really pissed off. It looks like every "genuine Apple OEM" charger cube you can find - outside the Apple store - is actually counterfeit. Even the ones shipped by Amazon, listed by Apple as an authorized supplier, appear to often be fake. Some fakes are obvious in the ads but many are not, since the sellers use Apple stock photos in their ads. Models are A1265 and A1385 (same specs, just a new number).

Why not buy from Apple? They want $19. The obvious counterfeit ones are <$2. In the $5-10 price range, there might be some genuine adapters out there but it's very hard to tell. There's a good video showing the real differences of both electrical performance and build quality. Some people argue that the cheap fakes are "good enough" but this particular video clearly shows why that isn't true. Never mind the safety issues of the fakes. There's also a good analysis of the genuine charger design here. I believe the charger was designed by Flextronics, and they may make them as well. I may try buying some moderately cheap ones from a source that will take returns. If I can identify them as fakes, I'll just send them back. Question: Anyone here have a favorite AC-to-USB adapter? Need 5V, 1A rating or better. I like the little white cubes but really it just needs to work safely to spec. Not interested in anything over ~$10 unless the amp rating exceeds 1A.

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#### tcmtech

Joined Nov 4, 2013
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#### wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
16,237
When performance is essentially the same for the current generation of phones...
If you think they're the same, then you're an Android customer. If you perceive value from the areas where they are NOT the same, you are an iOS customer. Different products, different value propositions. Android fans tend to think iOS users are fools easily separated from their excess money. iOS users view Android users as sub-cretinous dolts lacking self respect, that can't see the obvious advantages of iOS. That gap is not going to close, so it's as useless a discussion here as a perpetual motion project.

Can we get back to adapters now?

#### GopherT

Joined Nov 23, 2012
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If you think they're the same, then you're an Android customer. If you perceive value from the areas where they are NOT the same, you are an iOS customer. Different products, different value propositions. Android fans tend to think iOS users are fools easily separated from their excess money. iOS users view Android users as sub-cretinous dolts lacking self respect, that can't see the obvious advantages of iOS. That gap is not going to close, so it's as useless a discussion here as a perpetual motion project.

Can we get back to adapters now?
Now you have shown that you are a really bad at making logical arguments (post11) AND bad at making predictions (first sentence of Post 16). I have one of each - current Samsung Galaxy and iPhone 6S. One for work and one for personal. If you think there is a difference, you haven't used a Galaxy and you are only confused my the more intuitive Android OS.

#### wayneh

Joined Sep 9, 2010
16,237
Now you have shown that you are a really bad at making logical arguments (post11) AND bad at making predictions (first sentence of Post 16). I have one of each - current Samsung Galaxy and iPhone 6S. One for work and one for personal. If you think there is a difference, you haven't used a Galaxy and you are only confused my the more intuitive Android OS.
The notion that you can suck up 94% of an industry's profits by offering something that is somehow inferior is absurdly illogical and naive. The market decides winners and losers and if you can't accept that, you're just delusional. If you think the market is wrong, that it's possible to dupe millions and millions of people, you're welcome to try.

And you're the first and only person I've heard of that thinks Android is "more intuitive". That is NOT what sells Android devices.

#### ian field

Joined Oct 27, 2012
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So they take 94% of all smartphone industry profits because consumers have no sense? Riiiiight.
Last time I read an Apple newsletter, the author fessed up to the fact that the whole DTP thing was done on a PC because the entire desktop was cheaper than just the Apple printer alone.

At Apple prices - 94% doesn't take that much sales!

#### tcmtech

Joined Nov 4, 2013
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If you think the market is wrong, that it's possible to dupe millions and millions of people, you're welcome to try.
Are you new to this planet?

Dupe as many as possible for as much money as you can get away with and not get put in jail for has been the primary operating process of humankind since we figured out how to trade a banana for a coconut.

Getting people to pay for the name not the quality has been primary strategy of marketing and business since someone figured out that fools with money tend to spend their money foolishly if given a reason to feel good about themselves though association justified or otherwise.

Just look at how many people are loyal to brands of products that at one time stood as industry standards that now are total overpriced junk just because people still associate their name with their former quality.. (fluke meters anyone?)