As vaccinated also transmit the virus, it is oddly safer to have an unvaccinated worker who is getting regular COVID tests than vaccinated who are not, would you not agree?

Safer for who? The vaccinated risk is still lower (t-cell immunity is still intact) with omicron and the unvaccinated worker risks the worse possible symptoms of those without previous t-cell immunity from natural infection or vaccination..

 

Safer for who? The vaccinated risk is still lower (t-cell immunity is still intact) with omicron and the unvaccinated worker risks the worse possible symptoms of those without previous t-cell immunity from natural infection or vaccination..

I assumed Audioguru's concern was about the children attending the school.

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated transmit the virus. I work at the hospital. Here are things that they should be doing but never will:

- N95
- testing of vaccinated staff that work with vulnerable patients (at minimum) or at least implement rapid tests.

If those measures are not done, outbreaks at hospitals will continue (as they have even though they dismissed unvaccinated staff)

Oh and medical system is collapsing because those that are left working have zero support

 

I assumed Audioguru's concern was about the children attending the school.

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated transmit the virus. I work at the hospital. Here are things that they should be doing but never will:

- N95
- testing of vaccinated staff that work with vulnerable patients (at minimum) or at least implement rapid tests.

If those measures are not done, outbreaks at hospitala will continue (as they have even though they dismissed unvaccinated staff)

Oh and medical system is collapsing because those that are left working have zero support

If the omicron case trends continue testing will be a lot less useful because huge numbers will be positive. Even if kids or medical staff are protected at school or work they won't be when they leave. In NA we've had a year to get ready for this, It's very likely you will get an infection but it's also likely you won't get more than a cold if you have some form of COVID immunity.

 

Yes, some vaccinated people get infected with the virus but the vaccine allowed them to produce antibodies that reduce their symptoms (many do not know they have the virus) and the antibodies reduce them getting the virus, and also the vaccinated people do not spread the virus as much as unvaccinated people.
The vaccine is win, win and win. Antivax is lose, lose and lose (and maybe lose your life).

The medical system is collapsing because many antivaxers are in ICU with a severe infection needing machines and nurses to keep them alive, some die. The vaccinated people with the virus are at home with no symptoms or minor symptoms and the vaccine is preventing severe infection or death. What a huge difference.

 

If the omicron case trends continue testing will be a lot less useful because huge numbers will be positive. Even if kids or medical staff are protected at school or work they won't be when they leave. In NA we've had a year to get ready for this, It's very likely you will get an infection but it's also likely you won't get more than a cold if you have some form of COVID immunity.

I agree completely. I also see that where I am that year has not been used wisely

 

I agree completely. I also see that where I am that year has not been used wisely

Those that have chosen wisely IMO to get vaccinated have used that time wisely IMO. A recent booster of Pfizer and Moderna will have some neutralizing capability for omicron infections so that's much better than nothing but it's unlikely to slow the spike of new cases when so many are unvaccinated.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/m...n-t-prevent-infection-from-omicron/ar-AARXuDf

All vaccines still seem to provide a significant degree of protection against serious illness from Omicron, which is the most crucial goal. But only the Pfizer and Moderna shots, when reinforced by a booster, appear to have initial success at stopping infections, and these vaccines are unavailable in most of the world.

The other shots — including those from AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson and vaccines manufactured in China and Russia — do little to nothing to stop the spread of Omicron, early research shows. And because most countries have built their inoculation programs around these vaccines, the gap could have a profound impact on the course of the pandemic.

China does not have this layer of protection to back up its weak vaccines. Because of China’s aggressive efforts to stop spread of the virus within its borders, relatively few people have previous exposure. Only an estimated 7 percent of people in Wuhan, where the pandemic began, were infected.

 

What I mean is nothing has been done to improve the situation innour hospitals.

To reiterate what I have already stated, yhe work environment is only becoming more toxic so

- those who were close to retirement retired
- many went on stress leave

I see no coverage of this in the media outside of blaming pandemic for patient transfers when much of it is due to the fact that nothern BC has no staff.

Actually, to solve staffing issue health authorities hired more HR advisors.

https://www.bcliberalcaucus.bc.ca/2...spital-staff-shortage-remains-out-of-control/

I would normally not post anything from a political party but I cannot find any other reasonable reference to this issue. Not even from my own union

 

I am glad I got my Pfizer booster vaccination one month ago. Today millions of people here from 18 years old and up can get theirs but the lineups are so long they say lineups will last until February. Poor planning, they stored many vaccines to be given away to poor countries but changed the plan and might not give away any more of the important vaccines that are needed here now.

 

Antivax doctors in Canada are going to lose their license for telling misinformation or lies about the Covid-19 vaccines to their patients. The Doctors licensing commission says that they are totally incompetent to be doctors.

 

I would normally not post anything from a political party but I cannot find any other reasonable reference to this issue.

So, am I to understand your statement as...
"Since no news organization could confirm a statement made by a political party - especially a story that I want to believe is true - I will post the political party's statement here and hypothesize that a conspiracy must be underway to cover up real facts. You know, all those poorly paid freelance reporters often sit on stories. They'd rather not be paid at all so they don't embarrass politicians and doctors and whoever else. It is really hard for them to sell a story to a media outlets that wants to publish reports that would hurt either political party. In reality, there is only one party willing to tell the truth and ALL reporters for ALL news outlets are on the same side as the OTHER political party. ".

 

The speed of the omicron spread is beyond exponential. It's simply amazing how fast omicron is becoming the dominate strain with infections.

https://www.gisaid.org/hcov19-variants/

https://apnews.com/article/omicron-majority-us-cases-833001ef99862bd6ac17935f65c896cf

NEW YORK (AP) — Omicron has raced ahead of other variants and is now the dominant version of the coronavirus in the U.S., accounting for 73% of new infections last week, federal health officials said Monday.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention numbers showed nearly a six-fold increase in omicron’s share of infections in only one week.

In much of the country, it’s even higher. Omicron is responsible for an estimated 90% or more of new infections in the New York area, the Southeast, the industrial Midwest and the Pacific Northwest. The national rate suggests that more than 650,000 omicron infections occurred in the U.S. last week.

“All of us have a date with omicron,” said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “If you’re going to interact with society, if you’re going to have any type of life, omicron will be something you encounter, and the best way you can encounter this is to be fully vaccinated.”

 

So, am I to understand your statement as...
"Since no news organization could confirm a statement made by a political party - especially a story that I want to believe is true - I will post the political party's statement here and hypothesize that a conspiracy must be underway to cover up real facts. You know, all those poorly paid freelance reporters often sit on stories. They'd rather not be paid at all so they don't embarrass politicians and doctors and whoever else. It is really hard for them to sell a story to a media outlets that wants to publish reports that would hurt either political party. In reality, there is only one party willing to tell the truth and ALL reporters for ALL news outlets are on the same side as the OTHER political party. ".

The story I know and live daily is that of a small rural hospital I have worked in for last 10 years. I have no idea what your point is here.

 

What is herd immunity? My province is 88% vaccinated. There is no herd immunity to covid any more than there is herd immunity to common cold. The sooner this is realized the faster we can move on. This is in no way an anti vaccine statement.

 

So far, so good.
https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...ew-york-city-f5a8a5c96d6b0001fe155f806490980d

Mount Sinai Health System’s emergency rooms are seeing about 20% more patients — with all conditions — in recent days, according to Dr. Eric Legome, who oversees two of the network’s seven ERs. But at least so far, “we’re seeing a lot more treat-and-release” coronavirus patients than in earlier waves, he said.

Many are looking for tests, help with mild or moderate symptoms, or monoclonal antibody treatment, but very few require oxygen or a hospital stay, said Legome. He runs the ERs at Mount Sinai West and Mount Sinai Morningside.

 

I have no idea what your point is here.

I use that phrase on my wife when she catches me talking nonsense, too. Good work.

 

Vaccination is needed for herd immunity. (some text removed from quote for clarity)

Active infections also impart immunity. This is well accepted as government policy in some places outside the United States. Perhaps the deep pockets of the pharmaceutical companies keeps this from being supported.

The speed of the omicron spread is beyond exponential. It's simply amazing how fast omicron is becoming the dominate strain with infections.

(Some links removed from post for clarity)

It is exponential but the exponent is much larger than our expectations based on past experience.

 

So here I sit in Cuyahoga County Ohio, home of Cleveland, Ohio. A few years back when drug overdose deaths were popular Cuyahoga County managed to lead the entire US in drug overdose deaths. The county seat course of action was to pass an ordinance banning super markets from using those blue plastic bags. Now with the advent of COVID that great law has been suspended. Cuyahoga County has taken on a new leadership role. The county is now #3 in the entire US with new COVID cases per capita exceeding over 200 cases per 100,000 people. They are now bringing in National Guard to administer COVID Testing at inner city locations in Cleveland. So what do these numbers reveal?

Ron

 

What is herd immunity? My province is 88% vaccinated.

Herd immunity is only herd immunity when
- each unvaccinated individual is RANDOMLY surrounded by vaccinated people. Unfortunately, unvaccinated people tend to hang around other unvaccinated people.

the percent of the vaccinated population that defines herd immunity is proportional to the transmitability of the virus. That is, the more transmittable, the higher percent of vaccinated population needed before herd immunity.

Also, the human Petri dishes that have been incubating more and more viruses in their bodies are increasing the chance that a new, more transmittable variant emerges. Eventually, a virus is so transmittable that herd immunity will need to be 90 or 99 or 99.9% or even 99.99% of the population.

 

What is herd immunity? My province is 88% vaccinated. There is no herd immunity to covid any more than there is herd immunity to common cold. The sooner this is realized the faster we can move on. This is in no way an anti vaccine statement.

Herd immunity is or was something that was pronounced as the end of covid by the past administration here. People were lead to believe it would stop the virus after ~70% of the people got covid. This was spread from the top of the government down to those that don't know any better, by people that wanted it to go away fast, a thought made popular by a radiologist, not a epidemiologist. No one has heard a thing from him since.

 

So what do these numbers reveal?

Your selling your house and moving from Cuyahoga county? (just joking)