I guess you needed to say or circle the magic words 'other immunocompromised', 'X syndrome or deficiency'. In my qualified 3rd shot visit they didn't ask for specifics and I didn't offer.

I circled other and concluded that because I use a drug not approved for immune system suppression I didn’t qualify. The nearest Sams Club to offer Moderna is 60 miles away. I’m headed to them to see if I slip through.

If so, probably won’t allow for any documentation tracking for future charts. Sept 20th is the soonest if they won’t let me have it.


kv

 

Utah is one of the highest climbing in cases.

Then again, Utah is currently averaging less than ten deaths per day. So maybe not so much to panic about?

 

Then again, Utah is currently averaging less than ten deaths per day. So maybe not so much to panic about?

Maybe due to following CDC guideline‘s numbers are low, you have no idea of infections due to delta, no one does, your numbers won’t reflect that, those who are contracting and Vaxed aren‘t included in your chart, yet to be known. 99% percent are un-vaxed, who have been waiting for herd immunity or just exercising their rights, walking around in a community of Vaxed super spreaders of Delta an even more virulent mutation.

The Spanish Flu circled the planet at least 3 times each time becoming stronger, I’m just calling it like it is, people who are at risk, pulmonary included, should have an open opportunity to do it if they so choose.

Numbers are climbing in Utah as I said before. Dead aren’t included in those numbers, just saying.

 

Vaccine does not prevent transmission.

 

Vaccine does not prevent transmission.

but reducing infection is tied to reducing transmission. That's something the vaccine still does with Delta in the suppression of sickness and death.

 

Texas governor Greg Abbott caught COVID after having both shots and even a third. He had no symptoms and was seen at a local republican convention where due to his opposition to masks he turned into what is most likely super spreader event amongst old folk. The irony is thick. He has ordered no mask ban mandate can not be ordered by any government entity within Texas, including schools. More than one of which is fighting that order in the courts.

Use the dress code for mask requirements.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/c...-changes-dress-code-to-require-masks/2721663/

As the move continues to be challenged in the court system, Paris ISD decided they would also challenge Abbott by simply making masks part of their dress code.

"There are things in our dress code I don’t agree with, but my son wearing an earring won’t kill another child. This is a great use of that policy. I’m just so proud of them for protecting our kids," said Becca Rogers a mother of three in Paris ISD.

 

https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/15...ovid-vaccine-doses-for-the-immunocompromised/

The fine print: Understanding the new policy authorizing extra Covid vaccine doses for the immunocompromised

 

99% percent are un-vaxed, who have been waiting for herd immunity or just exercising their rights, walking around in a community of Vaxed super spreaders of Delta an even more virulent mutation.

The actual percentage of vaccinated individuals being admitted to hospital seems to be closer to 50%. From the Jerusalem Post:

As of Sunday, Israel had 525 patients in serious condition, 162 more than a week earlier. Of those, 404 are over 60, with 277 of them fully vaccinated. Considering the serious cases per 100,000 people over 60, there are 21 cases among the vaccinated – who are over 90% of the cohort – while among the unvaccinated it is 135.

And from The Times (UK):

Almost half of Covid-19 patients admitted to hospital so far this week have been fully vaccinated, the HSE director-general has said.

Paul Reid said that 49 per cent of the 206 people in hospital with the disease were fully vaccinated, while 58 per cent of patients in intensive care were not vaccinated at all, 24 per cent were fully vaccinated, and 18 per cent were partially vaccinated.

 

This might lead one to the conclusion that
A) The vaccines are not as efficacious as they said ("If you take the shot you won't get Covid", and,
B) Denying that post-infection treatments were not efficacious (protease inhibitors, Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine, and others) were not efficacious in the treatment of SARS CoV-2, were lies, that likely cost many lives.

 

This might lead one to the conclusion that
A) The vaccines are not as efficacious as they said ("If you take the shot you won't get Covid", and,
B) Denying that post-infection treatments were not efficacious (protease inhibitors, Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine, and others) were not efficacious in the treatment of SARS CoV-2, were lies, that likely cost many lives.

They seem to be in a steep learning curve resulting in different recommendations day to day and of course different conclusions.

When my wife and I can get the third immunization we will. While being treated for cancer my wife is not considered to have her immune system compromised. My sister who was twice vaccinated managed to become a "breakthrough" case. Initially we were all told if vaccinated you will be immune. Why do they call it an immunization when it's obvious after immunization you are not immune?

Ron

 

hi Dick,
I must say that in all the Official UK information, it was never claimed that a vaccination would prevent anyone contracting Covid
It stated that the vaccination would significantly reduce the chances of becoming seriously ill and being hospitalised with Covid
This has be realised with reduction in hospitalisation and deaths due to Covid.

E

 

https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/15...ovid-vaccine-doses-for-the-immunocompromised/

The fine print: Understanding the new policy authorizing extra Covid vaccine doses for the immunocompromised

As mentioned above, studies have shown some people who are immunocompromised respond poorly — or not at all — to the standard regimen of Covid vaccines.
They are more likely to be a breakthrough case, developing Covid even if they are fully vaccinated. If they catch it, they’re more likely to develop severe Covid, more likely to transmit it to other people, and more likely to have prolonged infections, meaning they provide the SARS-CoV-2 virus opportunities to mutate in ways that increase the risk dangerous variants will emerge

Alarming, my Granddaughters live in a household of Unvaxed Parents, my Wife has MS gets a monthly infusion of (Interferon beta 1 - 1a) she is a lab rat, been using it for over 20 years now. Harvard is interested in getting her blood for future studies on MS. My Grandchildren and my Wife are a direct threat to me, when you consider they are potential spreaders my wife on the other hand can potentially mutate and spread the mutated virus to me, which by the way I have always from out of the Womb had an immunity suppressed issue related to my birth. 3 weeks out of the hospital, Pneumonia not expected to live 24 hrs after diagnoses I lived, since that moment illness common illness colds etc. have been the bane of my existence.

Growing up I was that kid who could make you shutter at my appearance, Dark Grey Teeth, dark circles around my eyes, blonde, child, my glance could pierce you. I would hide from people not to be seen, when my father shaved our heads for summer, I looked like a miniature Uncle Fester from the Adams Family. On one occasion at a family gathering at my Grandfathers house I was as usual turned away from the group of people in the living room, spending time outside or away downstairs I avoided people. But, I wanted to play with some things in the basement, large ballbearings from a train, my Grandfather was a Conductor, I needed to have permission to play with them so, I went to my Father grabbed his pant leg hiding behind him while he spoke to a women intent on seeing me, saying oh, who is the lovely child, I move side to side from her gaze, she would not stop until I stuck my head out, when she seen me she literally shuttered as if she had seen a Ghost or a Demon.

I am also your super spreader Unknown to science, we exist, a natural immune system suppressed individual that does not need to take medication for the disorder, when I take the normal SARS-Cov Vax that people take Annually I get sick every time, had to stop since then I never get sick with the flu, on the other hand I also have practiced social distancing for years, having a mask and standing 6 feet from you is where I want to be if your sick. Worked for years.

I am the guy who mutates the virus when given the Annual Vax, I’m a cross over and I know it. I stay home if I’m sick so that I don’t infect others. So, if I know that and I’m not saying it because I’m a hypochondriac because I have no problem with washing my hand with soap, I don’t use hand sanitizers that kill common bacteria that is what make your immune system respond to build antibodies.

I’m also the guy saying this thing is not finished, because of people like my wife and me, everyone around me including my Nurse Daughter who treats COVDI19 patients and I have frequent contact with, so I’m literally on the front line with family who can give it to me, why shouldn’t I also have the right to get a 3rd shot, based on my history, knowing my own medical issues, why can’t I call my Pulmonologist to get permission to get it legally and take part in the study?

Furthermore, plan to get a degree in Genetic Anthropology in order to better understand my personal medical history, that knowledge may be why some people are the reason other people are dying, they are genetically predisposed to mutating the virus, who are currently unknown to science.


kv

 

The actual percentage of vaccinated individuals being admitted to hospital seems to be closer to 50%. From the Jerusalem Post:
And from The Times (UK):

And your point?

kv

 

I must say that in all the Official UK information, it was never claimed that a vaccination would prevent anyone contracting Covid

It stated that the vaccination would significantly reduce the chances of becoming seriously ill and being hospitalised with Covid

This has be realised with reduction in hospitalisation and deaths due to Covid.

Fair point. Nonetheless these policies have undeniably led to draconian measures being taken, in a country where open discussion was once thought to be a cornerstone of the culture. Nowadays everyone just walks on eggshells when mentioning contentious topics, such the potential impact that extreme Islamism has had on society, or the facts surrounding Covid-19, or whatever.

Where is the hallmark English debate? That is what really saddens me. The Scientific Method has been abandoned...

 

And your point?

Would you like me to explain those numbers to you? No problem. 50% means that the vaccine is roughly as effective as a placebo at keeping you out of an ICU unit.

 

Would you like me to explain those numbers to you? No problem. 50% means that the vaccine is roughly as effective as a placebo at keeping you out of an ICU unit.

By all means I bow to your scholarly opinion.

Do elaborate.

kv

 

No problem. 50% means that the vaccine is roughly as effective as a placebo at keeping you out of an ICU unit.

Hi xox,
Your maths need work.

E

 

97% of people in Canada who go to a hospital for treatment of covid-19 severe symptoms today, are unvaccinated. The few fully vaccinated people who need hospital treatment do not have it severely.
Some fully vaccinated people who do not do the important social distancing and who do not wear masks when shopping are tested to have the virus and are spreading it but they have no symptoms. They spread it for a shorter time period than unvaccinated people.

 

Your maths need work.

And yet you fail to recommend a correction. Was that intentional?

 

Just had my 3rd Pfizer shot today

Then when did you get your second one? I ask because you may have jumped the gun on helping yourself.
According to Dr. Peter Hotez they pushed out the second shot too close to the first one, for full efficacy of the vaccine. Then if you get the third one too quickly are you just jumping the gun?

Quote, "For starters, a longer duration between the second and third dose may provide stronger and longer-lasting immunity, experts said.

Peter Hotez, MD, PhD, of Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said on CNN Monday night that a 3-week interval between the first and second doses of Pfizer's mRNA vaccine, for instance, may not have been enough time to spur an extended immune response, with the initial shots acting only as a primary immunization."
From - https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/94089