Sir Patrick said it backwards and corrected what he said. Correctly, he said that 60% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated people but I read it is much higher than that.

All I could do was read the link? Ah found it in there.
"This article was amended after Sir Patrick Vallance corrected an earlier statement in which he initially said 60% of hospitalizations were double vaccinated people"

Pretty big screw up. Didn't really make much sense. I have a feeling things are going to get ugly again.

Ron

 

Many places are opening their lockdowns too soon and there is another religious holiday for Arabs to open their lockdowns when Covid-19 cases are rising very high.

 

Analysis, audit of the analysis, re-audit of the audited analysis.

Keep auditing the results until you get the answers you want to hear... or, more appropriately, until you stop getting the answers you don't want to hear.

https://apnews.com/article/ks-state...demic-health-51c1bf34b1b09a002c0bf317519e833d

 

Analysis, audit of the analysis, re-audit of the audited analysis.

Keep auditing the results until you get the answers you want to hear... or, more appropriately, until you stop getting the answers you don't want to hear.

https://apnews.com/article/ks-state...demic-health-51c1bf34b1b09a002c0bf317519e833d

Or we could just bring Dr. Scott Atlas back to run the covid project.

 

So some Americans are saying that the number of deaths caused by covid-19 are inflated but China and many other countries are not reporting all the deaths to keep the huge numbers lower.

Simply, many unvaccinated people are dying from the virus and the virus will be gone when all those foolish people are gone.

 

Simply, many unvaccinated people are dying from the virus and the virus will be gone when all those foolish people are gone.

I will cancel the executions then.

So you figure you have the right to call others fools simply because they may not agree with your thinking? Must be nice to be holier than thou. Just because someone does not agree with or share your views does not make them a fool. Oh and by the way, never argue with a fool because anyone watching can't tell the difference.

Ron

 

I agree with the medical experts and the facts that the vaccinations are saving many lives.

 

I agree with the medical experts and the facts that the vaccinations are saving many lives.

The medical experts all seem to have their own opinions. That aside what gives you the right to call anyone who does not agree with you a fool? That is my question. People have a right to their own opinion but not a right to call those who disagree with them a fool. So one more time since you missed the question apparently, what gives you the right to call someone with a dissenting opinion a fool?

Ron

 

If it looks like a fool, acts like a fool, and talks like a fool, then it probably is a fool.

No rights need to be conferred. By adductive reasoning, it is self-evident.



Nothing personal. Just instigating personal reflection.

 

The medical experts all seem to have their own opinions. That aside what gives you the right to call anyone who does not agree with you a fool? That is my question. People have a right to their own opinion but not a right to call those who disagree with them a fool. So one more time since you missed the question apparently, what gives you the right to call someone with a dissenting opinion a fool?

Ron

Do you so quickly defend people choosing to be vaccinated when anti-vaxxers are claiming vaccinated people are stupid "sheeple" for allowing ourselves to be injected with microchips, changing our DNA, because a "plan-Demic" organized by some dark, back-room master planners wanted to cull the population?

Listen carefully to the "why" when people explain their reasons for not getting vaccinated and you'll quickly agree, most are either uneducated, mis-informed, or down-right brain washed by Facebook algorithms feeding anti-Vax posts that are paid for by someone that doesn't not have the best interests of the US population in mind.

 

I don't think all of the people who refuse to get the vaccine are fools, but I'm sure some of them are.

I do believe not getting vaccinated is foolish, but one dumb decision shouldn't decide whether you are a fool or not.

 

Do you so quickly defend people choosing to be vaccinated when anti-vaxxers are claiming vaccinated people are stupid "sheeple" for allowing ourselves to be injected with microchips, changing our DNA, because a "plan-Demic" organized by some dark, back-room master planners wanted to cull the population?

Listen carefully to the "why" when people explain their reasons for not getting vaccinated and you'll quickly agree, most are either uneducated, mis-informed, or down-right brain washed by Facebook algorithms feeding anti-Vax posts that are paid for by someone that doesn't not have the best interests of the US population in mind.

My point here is I don't have the right to label anyone a fool. Possibly that right is reserved for the more arrogant. Like most I have heard just about every reason from those who choose not to be vaccinated I just don't figure I have a right in this forum or anywhere else to call someone a fool. Yes, I have heard all of the why. No matter if I agree with the why or figure those who say no to a vaccination are ill informed or just plain ignorant I don't see me as having a right to name call them or label them a fool. People have a right to say no. Likewise the airline I will be flying has a right to demand I wear a mask and the cruise ship I plan to board has a right to require I present proof of vaccination. Sorry but I don't have the right to label anyone with an opinion different than my own a fool. That is my point here. If we stoop so low as to name calling where does it stop? Should we have a limit on what words are and are not acceptable? Would name calling be acceptable here? I chose to be vaccinated as my decision and do not expect an anti vaccination type to label me a fool anymore than I should label them a fool. Pretty simple isn't it without resorting to name calling or labeling.

Ron

 

If it looks like a fool, acts like a fool, and talks like a fool, then it probably is a fool.

No rights need to be conferred. By adductive reasoning, it is self-evident.



Nothing personal. Just instigating personal reflection.

So it's OK to call other forum members here a fool? That's cool and where is the line drawn in vocabulary? I may think someone to be a fool or foolish but I don't feel I have a right to label them a fool here.

Ron

 

So it's OK to call other forum members here a fool? That's cool and where is the line drawn in vocabulary? I may think someone to be a fool or foolish but I don't feel I have a right to label them a fool here.

Ron

Saying foolish people, as Audioguru said, is to say people are acting foolishly. As anyone who texts-and-drives, leaves their children to play next to a busy street, or doesn't maintain their home or car, or adds more to their credit card each month than they earn. They can all be smart, intelligent or educated - and foolish by my standards. Me calling the people I listed foolish, or Audioguru calling the unvaccinated foolish is different than calling them fools, or idiots or dunderheads. I just want to know how much money we are willing to spend to let them act foolishly. A week in intensive care is pricy. Do we not care, in this specific case, how it increases the national debt that out grandchildren will pay the interest? Or the health insurance premiums we must all pay. I think these people could be viewed as worse than foolish, they could be viewed as a burden on society waiting to happen as they catch the virus and require extreme intervention. Or, maybe anyone not vaccinated by September 1 should be required to present the $500k in potential medical expenses as they are admitted or the hospital can refuse service. A $35 dollar vaccine dose seems to prevent nearly all multi-hundred-thousand dollars in hospital costs? Foolish? Yes.

 

So it's OK to call other forum members here a fool? That's cool and where is the line drawn in vocabulary? I may think someone to be a fool or foolish but I don't feel I have a right to label them a fool here.

Ron

Of course not. I really didn’t mean to imply that. I should have refrained from posting but it’s too late now. I apologize. But how do you recognize foolish behavior?

I’m looking forward to your reply, but letting you know I won’t reply again. I don’t fancy acting like a fool.

 

People have a right to say no.

Do insurance companies, hospitals, governments have the right to say, "I don't want to pay for Covid-related ER visits, intensive care admissions, or ventilators. Does my neighbor have to risk bringing Covid home to her 5-year old child when a her employer, a hospital, requires her to work three shifts per week in the Covid ward?

they are free to act foolish but they should pay for their actions, somehow.

 

Anti-vaxers should not be "free" to pass the virus around and keep it going and mutating for years killing themselves and other people.
Of course people who kill themselves with suicide and also kill others are fools.

 

Anti-vaxers should not be "free" to pass the virus around and keep it going and mutating for years killing themselves and other people.
Of course people who kill themselves with suicide and also kill others are fools.

So back to how do we or any country force mandatory vaccination. You can't force it in the lower 48 and I doubt you can force it in Canada. It;s creating a law or mandate which can't be enforced. Mayvid COVID police going door to door asking may I see your papers please?

Ron

 

So back to how do we or any country force mandatory vaccination. You can't force it in the lower 48 and I doubt you can force it in Canada. It;s creating a law or mandate which can't be enforced. Mayvid COVID police going door to door asking may I see your papers please?

Ron

I'm sure there would be indirect motivation to put the cost burden of hospitalizations on the unvaccinated. They can "show their paper" health care card to their healthcare provider.

 

The government needs votes so it is not involved in mandatory vaccinations. The restaurants, ball games, music events, stores, schools, universities, airlines, cruise ships etc ban unvaccinated fools.