Yes it really is 500 000 from COVID-19, but its also 560 000 from car accidents

But hospitals from car accidents are not crowded. For example https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/24/europe/spain-ice-rink-morgue-coronavirus-intl/index.html

 

Don’t know where you got your stats from. And cherry picking five months is misleading. It’s been 5-1/2 months.

The total worldwide death count is a lot more than 200,000. Its 474,000!

What is strange to me though is not the number, but the reaction by the media and THUS the general public. Note i used all capitals for the word THUS.

Example, i have read in 2018 1.5 million people died of tuberculosis. Why no shutdowns?
I'll tell you why, because it was not yet thought of, of using a health issue to gain political advantage. History will be written and it will show the plain truth in retrospect.
At first i think everyone was in a panic because there was not much known about the virus. But then as we gained experience, not much changed. The idea started to come to life in full swing. Now everyone has to wait for some sort of "slow" reopening. Like the virus is going to know not to infect anybody because they are not completely together yet, and it might magically go away in the time we take to reopen. The reason for the shutdowns in the first place was to keep hospitals from being overrun with Covid patients. But it has been shown that this does not happen, so why the continued shutdowns and "slow" reopening. Doesnt make sense until you consider that there is another underlying reasoning behind some of this, and noting which states are the worst players highlights the reasoning.

On top of that we get riots due to police issues. I have to wonder what is next.

 

I assume that an infected person could sneeze on the packaging. Another person touched her. Brought it home, put it in the refrigerator and touched his face. Infection guaranteed.
The virus lives on the surface for a long time.

Infection is not guaranteed. You literally have to lick the doorknob

This offers a good explanation:

http://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/06/02/coronavirus-surfaces

Keep your immune system active, stop disinfecting everything... I forsee more allergies and autoimmune disorders coming to us soon

 

What is strange to me though is not the number, but the reaction by the media and THUS the general public. Note i used all capitals for the word THUS.

Example, i have read in 2018 1.5 million people died of tuberculosis. Why no shutdowns?
I'll tell you why, because it was not yet thought of, of using a health issue to gain political advantage. History will be written and it will show the plain truth in retrospect.
At first i think everyone was in a panic because there was not much known about the virus. But then as we gained experience, not much changed. The idea started to come to life in full swing. Now everyone has to wait for some sort of "slow" reopening. Like the virus is going to know not to infect anybody because they are not completely together yet, and it might magically go away in the time we take to reopen. The reason for the shutdowns in the first place was to keep hospitals from being overrun with Covid patients. But it has been shown that this does not happen, so why the continued shutdowns and "slow" reopening. Doesnt make sense until you consider that there is another underlying reasoning behind some of this, and noting which states are the worst players highlights the reasoning.

On top of that we get riots due to police issues. I have to wonder what is next.

Millions of children die of malaria every year, but that is in Africa...

It was already mentioned - car accidents, work related accidents, industrial accidents, thousands die of air pollution (especially in large cities).

And now the riots to further splinter people i to groups...

 

And now the riots to further splinter people i to groups...

In totally absurd ways like who 'must' wear a face covering. (I personally wear a lightweight face shield when near crowds)

https://www.newsweek.com/oregon-county-exempts-non-white-people-mandatory-face-mask-order-1512895

Lincoln County in Oregon has exempted non-white residents from a new order mandating mask-wearing in public in an attempt to counter racial profiling.

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-oregon.html

In Multnomah County, public health director Rachael Banks said the county “strongly encouraging” residents who are able to follow the governor’s mandate.

But, said Banks, “some people should not wear a face covering or don’t feel safe doing so.”

“There is also legitimate safety concern among some of our communities of color related to wearing face covering,” Banks said. “Racist reactions to Black, Indigenous, and people of color wearing face coverings is a reality. The County will not act in a way that may prompt over-policing or shaming of individuals.”

Banks said because of those reasons, “Multnomah County will not enforce the state’s face covering mandate.”

 

In totally absurd ways like who 'must' wear a face covering. (I personally wear a lightweight face shield when near crowds)

https://www.newsweek.com/oregon-county-exempts-non-white-people-mandatory-face-mask-order-1512895

Lincoln County in Oregon has exempted non-white residents from a new order mandating mask-wearing in public in an attempt to counter racial profiling.

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-oregon.html

Wrong masks I guess? (Yes I am aware this is from 1990, but just a very nice photo)

 

Just wear it!

 

In totally absurd ways like who 'must' wear a face covering. (I personally wear a lightweight face shield when near crowds)

https://www.newsweek.com/oregon-county-exempts-non-white-people-mandatory-face-mask-order-1512895

Lincoln County in Oregon has exempted non-white residents from a new order mandating mask-wearing in public in an attempt to counter racial profiling.

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-oregon.html

The White House press secretary does not always wear a mask. Her rationale is that the CDC only *recommends* wearing a mask, not forces it.
Some busnesses i have visited over the last month or two do in fact force it at the door, i wonder if that is a violation of free rights.
My main bank requires a mask as well as setting up an appointment if you have to enter the main bank area for any reason (like deposit, etc.).

 

Some busnesses i have visited over the last month or two do in fact force it at the door, i wonder if that is a violation of free rights.

Businesses are private property. They can ask you to leave the premises at any time and for any reason -- like not wearing mask. Refusing to leave when asked is considered trespassing.

Just because you have a right to do something does not mean you have the right to do it on someone else's property.

Legally, In Florida I can carry a concealed weapon just about anywhere (certain limitations apply...) -- even in a business that posts a "gun free zone" sign.

BUT, if they discover I am packing, they can ask me to leave. And I must obey.

 

My main bank requires a mask

Interesting... in the older days, wearing a mask when entering a bank was... how can I put it? ... strongly discouraged.

 

Interesting... in the older days, wearing a mask when entering a bank was... how can I put it? ... strongly discouraged.

and not required for a withdrawal.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...n-don-t-spread-coronavirus-french-study-shows

School kids don’t appear to transmit the new coronavirus to peers or teachers, a French study found, weighing in on the crucial topic of children’s role in propagating Covid-19.

Scientists at Institut Pasteur studied 1,340 people in Crepy-en-Valois, a town northeast of Paris that suffered an outbreak in February and March, including 510 students from six primary schools. They found three probable cases among kids that didn’t lead to more infections among other pupils or teachers.

The study confirms that children appear to show fewer telltale symptoms than adults and be less contagious, providing a justification for school reopenings in countries from Denmark to Switzerland. The researchers found that 61% of the parents of infected kids had the coronavirus, compared with about 7% of parents of healthy ones, suggesting it was the parents who had infected their offspring rather than the other way around.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...logist-says-world-went-mad-imposing-lockdowns

Tegnell’s underlying argument is that Covid-19 isn’t going away any time soon, meaning sudden, severe lockdowns will ultimately prove ineffective in addressing the longer-term threat. Meanwhile, the virus has recently resurfaced in a number of places where authorities thought they’d brought it under control, including Beijing.

“I’m looking forward to a more serious evaluation of our work than has been made so far,” Tegnell said. “There is no way of knowing how this ends.”

 

Now for the result:
The COVID-19 is nothing special, its true that its unfortunate your friends died from it, but they are not more unfortunate than your friends who died in car accidents or other normal ways. In fact death is something normal, it happens all the time, its only the human animal that is afraid of some deaths, but not from other ones. However the end result of the COVID-19 is that it causes more panic than suffering and the death count is not that much. As for us engineers, we should not be so easily moved the opinion built into society through fear and panic. But it looks as if its much, 500 000 people died...... It will be a bigger problem for those who were without work and lost jobs, to now feed their families, than the ones who died. On top of that, what are you doing in China? Don't you know its dangerous to travel outside of your own country, even your own city !?

In life there are no guarantees, you can only reduce the chances, but it will never be perfect. But you should stay at home, you should not go out on the street, a car can hit you! There will be 500 000 people who died from car accidents, lets ban cars and tell people not to go outside!

 

I am now wondering how dangerous it is to fly. If i fly out to Los Angeles again i would be on board in the cabin with maybe 100 other people for 6 hours going and 5 hours coming back.
The main mechanism for transmission of the virus is being in a group of people for some hours.
What do you all think?

 

Morning Al,.
This post is somewhat at odds with your post #3,123.

My personal advice is take the advice of the Science, we spend zillions of dollars/pounds training these Scientists, so that they can advise us lesser mortals in times of crisis.

Wear a face mask,
wash hands often,
keep at least 1+ mtr away from any other person outside your family group,
take your own in flight food and drink,
have a few sanitized hand wipes in your pocket,
keep you hands off any hand rails.

If all else fails, close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and hum very loudly..

Have a happy flight.

Eric.

 

Morning Al,.
This post is somewhat at odds with your post #3,123.

My personal advice is take the advice of the Science, we spend zillions of dollars/pounds training these Scientists, so that they can advise us lesser mortals in times of crisis.

Wear a face mask,
wash hands often,
keep at least 1+ mtr away from any other person outside your family group,
take your own in flight food and drink,
have a few sanitized hand wipes in your pocket,
keep you hands off any hand rails.

If all else fails, close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and hum very loudly..

Have a happy flight.

Eric.

With the reopening it’s back on the rise, and the general population believe it’s ok to mingle. These birds of a feather flock together mentality, which tells me more about how they don’t meet CDC rules. The fact is they don’t realize the potential of infections, my daughter is a nurse won’t come near my house with my lung condition her husbands family came into contact with CD19 one is currently testing positive while we wait for more in the family to test positive. My oldest daughter is going to Texas which is now showing more positive people testing in the State they plan on flying, one of the people in her sixties had throat cancer and they removed her voice box, I think they are insane to board a plan with other people, but that’s how people live as well as die of ignorance.

To each their own.

kv

 

Morning Al,.
This post is somewhat at odds with your post #3,123.

My personal advice is take the advice of the Science, we spend zillions of dollars/pounds training these Scientists, so that they can advise us lesser mortals in times of crisis.

Wear a face mask,
wash hands often,
keep at least 1+ mtr away from any other person outside your family group,
take your own in flight food and drink,
have a few sanitized hand wipes in your pocket,
keep you hands off any hand rails.

If all else fails, close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and hum very loudly..

Have a happy flight.

Eric.

Hi Eric,

Thanks much.
Well it is not that i dont believe it can hurt us, it can, but what worries me most is if i caught it on a plane and then when i got to my destination transmitted it to my dear friend. If anything happened to her after that i would never be able to forgive myself. She has some serious problems as it is, if she caught the virus it would be really really terrible unless she happened to be asymptomatic but of course there is no way to know that beforehand.

So i am really torn between going and not going.

 

With the reopening it’s back on the rise, and the general population believe it’s ok to mingle. These birds of a feather flock together mentality, which tells me more about how they don’t meet CDC rules. The fact is they don’t realize the potential of infections, my daughter is a nurse won’t come near my house with my lung condition her husbands family came into contact with CD19 one is currently testing positive while we wait for more in the family to test positive. My oldest daughter is going to Texas which is now showing more positive people testing in the State they plan on flying, one of the people in her sixties had throat cancer and they removed her voice box, I think they are insane to board a plan with other people, but that’s how people live as well as die of ignorance.

To each their own.

kv

Yeah i think the risk is smaller than they make it out to be, but it is still a risk and i mostly think twice when it involves a loved one possibly catching it and getting seriously ill.

 

The virus was/is always going to rise up, infect every possible host and kill x percentage of those infected in cycles until there are no fresh hosts to infect. Isolation, masks, distancing reduce the R, they don't stop the virus totally in the human population. IMO the unspoken truth is that it's better (with controls for overrunning medical treatments) for the infection and immunity rates to increase now we are ready to handle the increased hospitalizations with effective treatments than waiting maybe forever for effective vaccines.

Death rates (inaccurate but relative) are falling while infection (positive test) rates are increasing.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 11.4% during week 23 to 7.1% during week 24. This is the eighth week during which a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC has been recorded; however, the percentage remains above the epidemic threshold. The percentage may change as additional death certificates for deaths during recent weeks are processed.

 

hi Al,
I have a similar problem with my Son in South Africa, he was due to fly over to stay with me during May this year, we decided to postpone at the last minute.
If he had flown over here, he would now have been stranded in the UK until flights restarted.

You may have the same problem if you fly out, getting home could be difficult if flights become grounded.

Staying home maybe the wise option.

Eric.