I'm with you Papabravo. As far as I can see, the US has sacrificed a chunk of your economy like most other places, but you aren't seeing as much benefit. I'm not sure why. Here are some figures on daily new cases for the US compared to some of the more successful northern hemisphere countries. With the lockdown you managed to stabilise the case numbers, but not drive them down like most comparable countries have.

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You want the numbers to go down? Stop inflating them. Just about every death certificate signed off anymore list COVID. You can't make accurate charts using BS numbers.

Ron

 

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I'm with you Papabravo. As far as I can see, the US has sacrificed a chunk of your economy like most other places, but you aren't seeing as much benefit. I'm not sure why. Here are some figures on daily new cases for the US compared to some of the more successful northern hemisphere countries. With the lockdown you managed to stabilise the case numbers, but not drive them down like most comparable countries have.

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COVID-19s primary target seems to the elderly. 80% of deaths are people 65 and over. Large number of elderly, immune reducing medical pre-conditions, high viral loads from usually asymptomatic carriers and population density in places like nursing homes are some of the common traits of high death rate areas in the USA and world-wide.

 

COVID-19s primary target seems to the elderly. 80% of deaths are people 65 and over. Large number of elderly, immune reducing medical pre-conditions, high viral loads from usually asymptomatic carriers and population density in places like nursing homes are some of the common traits of high death rate areas in the USA and world-wide.

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Yes - but the US is not alone in having old people. States like Florida are actually doing better than the US average.
(Note - this is a plot of new cases per day)


Even New York is driving the new cases down, which means that the rest of the country, on average, is going up!

link to plot: link
Our (Australia) demographics are similar to Italy, we have experienced severe outbreaks in nursing homes, but overall with social distancing, we have driven the number of new infections down.

 

I wonder if ambient air pollution levels could add a geographical element. Years of accrued lung (and other) damage.

 

Yes - but the US is not alone in having old people. States like Florida are actually doing better than the US average.
(Note - this is a plot of new cases per day)

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Even New York is driving the new cases down, which means that the rest of the country, on average, is going up!

link to plot: link
Our (Australia) demographics are similar to Italy, we have experienced severe outbreaks in nursing homes, but overall with social distancing, we have driven the number of new infections down.

Yes, as the infection wave moves across the country fresh areas are being taken by the virus, what's left behind is a slowing background number of cases.

 

It's always been a question for me,
why they can't make something like asthma inhaling spray for killing flu or corona-like viruses in lung?!
common anti bug sprays for house bugs are also inspiring ,or maybe a kind of cigarette :/

 

1) You lament the death rate in the United States -- it's unclear whether you think it is too high to too low.
2) You offer no advice other than a trite amphiboly.
3) My response was not ambiguous. First say whether you think the rate (from what?) is too high or too low. Then offer substantiated remedial measures you think should be used. Pandemonium is not the solution to a pandemic.

I love the sabers drawn and clashed but, put them down for another day or pick another subject to close I like this one.

kv

 

Why have we not heard of colloidal silver during this pandemic. Reported to kill 650 different bugs. I'll just keep taking my jigger a day and keep my fingers crossed.

So, I’ve actually studied this stuff, my Father and my Uncle used it on a daily basis, but I have a few pieces of info for you, you should know if you don’t. Great for a paper cut, great for eye infections, great for kidney infections, but not great in everything. I’ve studied it for over 40 years, it’s not a cure for everything. But, I can let you know more about how it can help with some.

Feel free to PM me.

kv

Bacterial infections are what history of it has a proven effect on bacteria, but not much has been studied otherwise and most say not not for viruses.

 

It's always been a question for me,
why they can't make something like asthma inhaling spray for killing flu or corona-like viruses in lung?!
common anti bug sprays for house bugs are also inspiring ,or maybe a kind of cigarette :/

If only they could.

It's been reported that tobacco use does seem to have some small positive effect with COVID-19 deaths that's likely countered by a large amount of negative factors from smoking.

https://www.livescience.com/why-covid-19-coronavirus-deadly-for-some-people.html

These risk factors include:
Age
Diabetes (type 1 and type 2)
Heart disease and hypertension
Smoking
Blood type
Obesity
Genetic factors

 

If only they could.

It's been reported that tobacco use does seem to have some small positive effect with COVID-19 deaths that's likely countered by a large amount of negative factors from smoking.

https://www.livescience.com/why-covid-19-coronavirus-deadly-for-some-people.html

These risk factors include:
Age
Diabetes (type 1 and type 2)
Heart disease and hypertension
Smoking
Blood type
Obesity
Genetic factors

But if you read the ingredients you end up with nothing that could survive including a persons life and what sort of life they can live with, Um, I’m just a heath freak but, I still stand by my words.

kv

I see the opener, if only they could. I like that.

 

Yes, as the infection wave moves across the country fresh areas are being taken by the virus, what's left behind is a slowing background number of cases.

That's a particularly fatalistic view. The virus doesn't move across the country - we carry it. Surely your scientists can work out what aspects of your life are driving the spread and suggest ways to modify it.

What happened here (Aus) - and I'm in no way crowing about our success - it's fragile and exponential growth could easily break out again, but I thought you may find it interesting. Back in March when our cases were exploding like the rest of the western world (we were doubling about every 3.5 days, others were about every 3 days - perhaps that was the fact we were in late summer), our public health officials tracked something like 90% of the cases back to the incoming passenger. They saw spreading from large gatherings, but also your typical wedding was a particularly effective spreading event. Many of the cases they traced had children at school, but they found no evidence of significant transmission from parents to other parents or teachers via the children. So we tailored the containment measures to the data: we closed our borders, initially to China, then Italy then everywhere, we banned large gatherings, limited weddings to 5 people, funerals to 10, but we never closed all schools (one of the few controversial issues - some states closed, others didn't). We closed bars and restaurants, (and we had killed our tourism industry by closing borders) but the PM classified all other workers that had a job as 'essential'. We never closed hairdressers. We have a form of a stay at home lockdown. We have gone from exponential growth looking like a full-on pandemic to now having only about 20 new cases a day and a possible outcome of being able to control the virus with testing and contact tracing (but by no means certain).

So I'm not trying to give you guys a hard time, just asking why your public health scientists haven't worked out what aspects of your life are spreading the virus and suggest ways to change it. You decided not to go the Sweden route, deciding to spend a large chunk of your economy on control, you should be demanding performance!

I'm also not suggesting that any particular approach is best - we won't know that until we see what medical breakthroughs are made. If there are no breakthroughs then those that took their medicine earliest, like Sweden, may win, if there is a rapid vaccine then those that controlled it best may win, and there are lots of cases in between.

 

That's a particularly fatalistic view. The virus doesn't move across the country - we carry it. Surely your scientists can work out what aspects of your life are driving the spread and suggest ways to modify it.

What happened here (Aus) - and I'm in no way crowing about our success - it's fragile and exponential growth could easily break out again, but I thought you may find it interesting. Back in March when our cases were exploding like the rest of the western world (we were doubling about every 3.5 days, others were about every 3 days - perhaps that was the fact we were in late summer), our public health officials tracked something like 90% of the cases back to the incoming passenger. They saw spreading from large gatherings, but also your typical wedding was a particularly effective spreading event. Many of the cases they traced had children at school, but they found no evidence of significant transmission from parents to other parents or teachers via the children. So we tailored the containment measures to the data: we closed our borders, initially to China, then Italy then everywhere, we banned large gatherings, limited weddings to 5 people, funerals to 10, but we never closed all schools (one of the few controversial issues - some states closed, others didn't). We closed bars and restaurants, (and we had killed our tourism industry by closing borders) but the PM classified all other workers that had a job as 'essential'. We never closed hairdressers. We have a form of a stay at home lockdown. We have gone from exponential growth looking like a full-on pandemic to now having only about 20 new cases a day and a possible outcome of being able to control the virus with testing and contact tracing (but by no means certain).

So I'm not trying to give you guys a hard time, just asking why your public health scientists haven't worked out what aspects of your life are spreading the virus and suggest ways to change it. You decided not to go the Sweden route, deciding to spend a large chunk of your economy on control, you should be demanding performance!

I'm also not suggesting that any particular approach is best - we won't know that until we see what medical breakthroughs are made. If there are no breakthroughs then those that took their medicine earliest, like Sweden, may win, if there is a rapid vaccine then those that controlled it best may win, and there are lots of cases in between.

I've been to Aus several times, it's very hard to compare a 26 million people, highly concentrated, centralized government nation to the USA that basically is 50 independent national states, each with a sovereign head far more powerful than the federal government within the borders of a state during this state of emergency.

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html

State, local, and tribal authorities

• Enforce isolation and quarantine within their borders.

I hope your condition holds until a vaccine is found because it won't take much to respark the pandemic match once you lift restrictions as is likely before an effective vaccine is available with the hundreds of million doses needed for national coverage around the world.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920302179

In France, the combination hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and azithromycin (AZ) is used in the treatment of COVID-19.
...
Results
A total of 1061 patients were included in this analysis (46.4% male, mean age 43.6 years – range 14–95 years). Good clinical outcome and virological cure were obtained in 973 patients within 10 days (91.7%). Prolonged viral carriage was observed in 47 patients (4.4%) and was associated to a higher viral load at diagnosis (p < .001) but viral culture was negative at day 10. All but one, were PCR-cleared at day 15. A poor clinical outcome (PClinO) was observed for 46 patients (4.3%) and 8 died (0.75%) (74–95 years old). All deaths resulted from respiratory failure and not from cardiac toxicity. Five patients are still hospitalized (98.7% of patients cured so far). PClinO was associated with older age (OR 1.11), severity at admission (OR 10.05) and low HCQ serum concentration. PClinO was independently associated with the use of selective beta-blocking agents and angiotensin II receptor blockers (p < .05). A total of 2.3% of patients reported mild adverse events (gastrointestinal or skin symptoms, headache, insomnia and transient blurred vision).
Conclusion
Administration of the HCQ+AZ combination before COVID-19 complications occur is safe and associated with very low fatality rate in patients.

This was a retrospective, not a controlled experimental study. Far less reliable as fact. But this is the largest study of HCQ+AZ yet.

 

But this is the largest study of HCQ+AZ yet.

Anecdotal. Nothing to see here.

it’s not a cure for everything

It's a cure from God.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/telev...s-to-keep-selling-sham-covid-19-cure-from-god

 

Anecdotal. Nothing to see here.

Anecdotal, absolutely just like I said but I don't think the French give a hoot about our internal political battles over a possible treatment. They are looking for something that works by taking a IMO honest investigation.

Funding
This work was funded by ANR-15-CE36-0004-01 and by ANR “Investissements d'avenir”, Méditerranée infection 10-IAHU-03, and was also supported by Région Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur. This work had received financial support from the Mediterranean Infection Foundation.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/travel-from-new-york-sparked-second-wave-coronavirus-cases-us-2020-5

Thousands of travelers carried the coronavirus from New York around the United States in early March, triggering most of the new cases that erupted nationwide.

The New York Times reported on Thursday that tiny genetic mutations helped researchers track between 60% and 65% of new infections back to the outbreak in the country's biggest city.

"We now have enough data to feel pretty confident that New York was the primary gateway for the rest of the country," Nathan Grubagh, of the Yale School of Public Health, told the Times.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/travel-from-new-york-sparked-second-wave-coronavirus-cases-us-2020-5

Much like the Spanish flu was in the 20’s coming in from Europe and elsewhere, look familiar?

https://www.influenzaarchive.org/cities/city-newyork.html


kv

 

Much like the Spanish flu was in the 20’s coming in from Europe and elsewhere, look familiar?

https://www.influenzaarchive.org/cities/city-newyork.html

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kv

Thanks for sharing that as it brought back memories of those carts and the street sweepers. New York City Department of Sanitation. By about 1960 the carts were replaced by motorized sweepers and alternate side of the street parking.

Ron

 

Anecdotal, absolutely just like I said but

I was parroting Fauci who struck me as overly dismissive of the "anecdote".

https://www.foxnews.com/science/vitamin-d-levels-covid-19-mortality-rates

"Patients from countries with high COVID-19 mortality rates, such as Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom, had lower levels of vitamin D compared to patients in countries that were not as severely affected, according to the study."

Lack of sun exposure may well be a key factor for these viruses tending to outbreak in winter months. One might consider supplementing vitamin D.

From the previously mentioned Wikipedia article:
"Vitamin D production from Ultraviolet-B in the skin changes with the seasons and affects the immune system.[5][6][7]"

This may be related:
https://www.nutraingredients-asia.c...ation-at-risk-of-severe-vitamin-D-deficiency#