Heard something crazy. My nephew told me a county not far from us had shut down all un-essential persons from work But made sure point out drive thru's, medical, fire, police...etc. would be open. But also emphasized that the ABC stores, Pawn and Rifle shops would be open. Guess you can't steal someone's toilet paper without being sauced and out of bullets.
Brzrkr

 

@jpanhalt Having given your link a passing glance - since statistics is a bit deeper than my abilities - one comment in the article stood out: "•••statistics is a game of probability, and it cannot be known for certain whether statistical conclusions are correct.•••"
Here you said:

there have been approximately 143,000 thousand "confirmed" cases. I don't know whether "confirmed" means just test-positive or clinically positive w/ or w/o a test. For a population of 350 million, that is 0.04%.

I'm sure you didn't mean 140,000 thousand (140,000,000); or maybe you did, but

If that false positive rate is 0.1%, then a test of 100,000* random individuals would produce approximately 40 true positives and 100 false positives.*

Here's where I'm having trouble: "40 true positives and 100 false positives" would seem to me like more than 100% of the testing is going to be a false positive. Like I said - I don't quite get your numbers. IF 140 people tested positive and your suggesting that 100 of them would be false positives - that's more like 250% false positives. Again, numbers easily bewaffle me, but that just doesn't sound right to me. I'm sure I've misunderstood something, but the article never gave numbers like I saw you use. But then again I skimmed over the article because a close examination of the article would again be over my head.

143K over 350M is 0.04% as you said. I don't have a problem with that math. But how you came to those numbers is still obscure to me.

Sorry, some people will just never get it.

 

Why scientists shouldn't be engineers.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ing-coronavirus-device?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

An Australian astrophysicist has been admitted to hospital after getting four magnets stuck up his nose in an attempt to invent a device that stops people touching their faces during the coronavirus outbreak.

 

I believe I said "Less Than 1%". There's a lot of numbers between 1 and zero. It can encompass a lot of area.

I just wasn't able to follow your numbers the way they were presented. Not saying you're in error, just saying that I found what you said somewhat confusing to me. Maybe others understood it - I didn't exactly understand it. I will have a look at the link you gave.

Thank you.

Stay well.

Well , if you meant to include 0% error in your statement, that is complete nonsense. As I said, your comment was meaningless, unless you define what you mean by error rate. You have failed and continue to fail to do that.

Test performance characteristics, such as I used, have been well established for longer than either of us has been alive. Saying you are confused is a cop out. What about my numbers do you not understand?

 

Why scientists shouldn't be engineers.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ing-coronavirus-device?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

An Australian astrophysicist has been admitted to hospital after getting four magnets stuck up his nose in an attempt to invent a device that stops people touching their faces during the coronavirus outbreak.

If that's an example of the best the Aussies can offer, I really worry about Betelgeuse going supernova tomorrow.

 

You have failed

I guess so.

Cop out? Truth is truth. When one doesn't understand what he's talking about - he should run for office.

Sorry, but I'm truly lost on this one.

 

Why scientists shouldn't be engineers.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ing-coronavirus-device?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

An Australian astrophysicist has been admitted to hospital after getting four magnets stuck up his nose in an attempt to invent a device that stops people touching their faces during the coronavirus outbreak.

Should probably go for an MRI.

 

I guess so.

Cop out? Truth is truth. When one doesn't understand what he's talking about - he should run for office.

Sorry, but I'm truly lost on this one.

Yes you are. Condolences.

 

Why scientists shouldn't be engineers.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ing-coronavirus-device?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

An Australian astrophysicist has been admitted to hospital after getting four magnets stuck up his nose in an attempt to invent a device that stops people touching their faces during the coronavirus outbreak.

A great example of a waste of a hospital bed. This at a time when US Governors are worried we won't have enough beds to go around. Idiot!

Ron

 

Yes you are. Condolences.

Thanks. Coming from you - - - I guess it's fitting.

Stay healthy,

 

Just because you had it and are now over it... STAY PUT IN ISOLATION!!!

COVID-19 Patients Can Carry Coronavirus after Symptoms Have Resolved: Study
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/ot...have-resolved-study/ar-BB11UmRC?ocid=msedgntp

 

A great example of a waste of a hospital bed. This at a time when US Governors are worried we won't have enough beds to go around. Idiot!

Ron

Since we are both Midwesterners, maybe he was extrapolating from "cow magnets." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_disease ) I m not sure how that relates to COVID-19, but I have seen crazier medical scams:

https://www.epemag3.com/lib/free_projects/picmicro/0302- Pic Virus Zapper.pdf
https://www.yourhealthbydesign.com/...MI7qunnYjD6AIV0f_jBx1jMQ6mEAMYASAAEgIlr_D_BwE
https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/2003/01/030127comp0223051.shtm

 

Maybe all these wandering cruise ships should return to their "Country of Flag" where they are registered and not their adopted home port or nearest port of convenience...

As cruise ship carrying sick and dead passengers moves toward Florida, governor says state can't take them
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...ate-can-t-take-them/ar-BB11USCd?ocid=msedgntp

Holland of America's ships are registered and flagged vessels of the Netherlands and pay their taxes there, NOT the US.

 

Maybe all these wandering cruise ships should return to their "Country of Flag" where they are registered and not their adopted home port or nearest port of convenience...

As cruise ship carrying sick and dead passengers moves toward Florida, governor says state can't take them
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...ate-can-t-take-them/ar-BB11USCd?ocid=msedgntp

Holland of America's ships are registered and flagged vessels of the Netherlands and pay their taxes there, NOT the US.

Well let's think about that. "Carnival, the biggest of the three, said in its most recent annual filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission that it is made up of “primarily foreign corporations engaged in the business of operating cruise ships in international transportation.” Its Holland America Princess Alaska Tours subsidiary is the company’s only truly domestic operation, so that is subject to federal and state income tax. But that’s about it".

The ship in question is the Holland America line. Holland America cruises extensively out of Clearwater, Fort Lauderdale stuffing Florida's economy with money just as green as can be. Those same ships are also paying big port fees and let's not forget Harbor Master fees. The reality is that Holland America stuffs Florida's coffers well. What about the US Citizens on board? Should they be denied entry into the US? My wife and I have cruised on the ship in question out of Fort Lauderdale. Each time there were hotel stays and my truck storage as well as meals and drinks all stuffing Florida's coffers. Don't make it sound like the cruise line, especially Holland America hasn't been paying their way. That simply is not true.

On another note book a cruise and note all the US taxes imposed on your ticket.

Ron

 

Whichever is right, I do have a problem with not repatriating dead Americans.

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/us-coronavirus-test/

(Moderator's note: A comment critical of a U.S. politician's statements has been removed.)

I don't understand this? Quoting the person is not political. He says it almost everyday at least once in the briefings, most days more than once. Nothing critical of him was said, just his words.

 

At this time FL is overloaded from being flooded with outsiders escaping "Stay In Place" orders and bringing CV19 with them (as are many locales including here in Georgia). Their Gov is just a bit tetchy over it and tending to overreact. FL depends on tourism for a LOT of their economy and it has BIT THEM BADLY this time.

 

Whichever is right, I do have a problem with not repatriating dead Americans.

My read on some of this is that one American died and there seems to be question as to the cause of death. Some reports lean towards a heart attack. Regardless, even if it is a single American they should be returned here to the US. His wife has been confined to the cabin he died in so my heart really goes out to her. The comments came from apparently the couple's niece.

After a month my sister's ship finally got into San Diego. Not a single illness and while about all she saw was water for a month she was content, the girl loves cruising and as long as there is good food and wine she is content. Several cancelled flights but Delta finally got her to Atlants from San Diego on an about empty plane and finally home to Columbus Ohio. She looks forward to her next cruise. They all hate the governor of Hawaii who actually had police cars line the dock area.

Ron

 

At this time FL is overloaded from being flooded with outsiders escaping "Stay In Place" orders and bringing CV19 with them (as are many locales including here in Georgia). Their Gov is just a bit tetchy over it and tending to overreact. FL depends on tourism for a LOT of their economy and it has BIT THEM BADLY this time.

Sleep with dogs, get fleas. Florida has pulled in Billions from tourism. While I don't see inviting a boatload of sick people in I also hate seeing Americans denied entry into their country. Heck, how many New Yorkers dragged Corona up and down the east coast for spring break. Yes, and that includes Georgia. Heck, when my sister set sail from New Zealand there was no Corona or at least we weren't aware of it. Fortunately she is finally home safe and had no infections or any illness on her ship.

Ron

 

I guess the real question is What Rights do Governors really have? They can declare Emergencies and allocate funds for it in their state. They can declare Curfews or Martial Law within their state and empower their State National Guard and State Police to enforce it. But, and this is a big but, can they close their border to US Citizens and prevent the open legal traffic of people and goods from bordering (or any other) US States??? I expect this to come up very soon once the legal scholars and ambulance chasers get their teeth on it.