I feel we are losing the possible effectiveness of the 8 week restrictions. It would be advantageous IMO to let as many as possible of the youngest and heathest adults get infected with CV during that time to help build herd immunity into the work force. These groups would be closely monitored and tested for antibodies to eliminate the carriers while releasing from isolation those that do have immunity and don't spread the virus to others.

As usual, nsaspook is far out front. Time to start organizing the Coronials.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...nnials-the-core-group-stop-coronavirus-2020-3

 

Here is my take on this.

Shut the global economy down for 20 days.
All interests, rental fees be nullified for the duration.
Get all banks and financial institutions and major employers and institutions on board with this.
No layoffs or wage decrease permitted.
Governments to assist in financial hardship of individuals and small businesses.

This would sound rather radical but should have been put into effect a month ago.

The airline industry has taken the lead. Asking for $50 Billion.

 

Here is my take on this.

Shut the global economy down for 20 days.
All interests, rental fees be nullified for the duration.
Get all banks and financial institutions and major employers and institutions on board with this.
No layoffs or wage decrease permitted.
Governments to assist in financial hardship of individuals and small businesses.

This would sound rather radical but should have been put into effect a month ago.

Ha! A page right out of Atlas Shrugged.

 

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3551767

High Temperature and High Humidity Reduce the Transmission of COVID-19

 

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3551767

High Temperature and High Humidity Reduce the Transmission of COVID-19

I guess I'm in pretty good shape, then. Unless, of course, the heat and humidity kill me.

 

As usual, nsaspook is far out front. Time to start organizing the Coronials.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...nnials-the-core-group-stop-coronavirus-2020-3

As a parent with three millennial children it's not that hard.

https://www.cnet.com/news/coronavir...ically-begs-millennials-to-limit-socializing/

A debate has erupted on social media with some labeling the calls to stay home an overreaction and others shaming those who refuse to reduce interpersonal contact. Viral hashtags like "#staythefhome have cropped up to help make the point.

 

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3551767

High Temperature and High Humidity Reduce the Transmission of COVID-19

How's that working out for subequatorial countries? Not too good...

 

I guess I'm in pretty good shape, then. Unless, of course, the heat and humidity kill me.

That would explain the low case count in Florida

 

How's that working out for sub-equatorial countries? Not too good...

The current numbers bear out the apparent effects of climate as you would expect from a virus adapted to colder origins. Upper Northern hemisphere numbers are high, Sub-Equatorial and Southern hemisphere number are low (in relative numbers).

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

But yeah what the heck is with the paper rush? Afraid they wont be able to wipe or something ha ha.

I heard the answer to that today, why so much toilet paper is needed. When ten people are standing around and one sneezes, the rest poop their pants.

 

Here is my take on this.

Shut the global economy down for 20 days.
All interests, rental fees be nullified for the duration.
Get all banks and financial institutions and major employers and institutions on board with this.
No layoffs or wage decrease permitted.
Governments to assist in financial hardship of individuals and small businesses.

This would sound rather radical but should have been put into effect a month ago.

And just how is that supposed to work?

Almost no one can sit in their home with no gas or electricity and live off the food and water they have stored away for 20 days.

What if they have an emergency, such as a heart attack or a home fire?

How are you going to deal with these things if you've shut down the global economy?

So are grocery stores then going to be allowed to stay open in this shutdown economy?

Stores typically have just three days of food (and other things) in stock. They rely on continuous deliveries of most things, in some cases daily.

The warehouses in a given city generally do not have a significantly larger stockpile of things -- a week or two. They rely on lots of truck and rail shipments on a continuous basis. So lots of things need to come into the metropolitan area well within your 20 day time span.

So who's going to work in the stores and deliver the goods to the stores and load the trucks and the trains?

How are those people going to get to and from work? Oh, does that mean that gas stations get to remain open, too.

Who's going to look after the small kids that many of those workers have? Oh, does that mean that day care facilities get to remain open, too?

Who's going to generate the electricity? What are they going to generate it with? A fairly small (200 MW scale) coal-fired plant consumes about a full train load of coal each week.

So someone that lives of their rental properties has to go without any income for your 20 days, but they still have to pay the people they employ and make their own mortgage payments (though just not the interest portion). Do they still have to pay their property taxes? Their insurance payments?

At the end of the 20 days is the entire global economy supposed to just start up right where it left off?

 

At the end of the 20 days is the entire global economy supposed to just start up right where it left off?

Yes, but it’s probably going to be more like 90 days.

 

Upper Northern hemisphere numbers are high, Sub-Equatorial and Southern hemisphere number are low (in relative numbers).

I think you may be missing the correlation of travel exposure. The countries that are showing low numbers are mostly very poor rural areas with little outside exposure from travelers coming in from "infected" areas. YMMV

 

Yes, but it’s probably going to be more like 90 days.

The guys that working critical manufacturing infrastructure can't shutdown and restart multi-billion dollar plants on a dime. If the supply chain in broken for even one critical chemical compound the US seniconductor base will be down for until something restarts. It's takes months to qualify complex manufacturing steps when critical reaction chemicals are changed.

 

I think you may be missing the correlation of travel exposure. The countries that are showing low numbers are mostly very poor rural areas with little outside exposure from travelers coming in from "infected" areas. YMMV

Sure, I get that but there's no denying that the R reproduction factor is low in warmer climates for normal flu virus and there's no special reason this one will be unique in that aspect.

 

Interesting reports out of China about using a cheap old malaria drug, chloroquine, to treat Wuhan virus infections. Hopefully the FDA can move quickly on this.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-repurposed-treatments-drugs
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/17/c_138792545.htm

 

My Grandkids are the Threat to me and my Immune system issues, love them but don’t want what they can make. I purchased Jumanji the Game for them. Games are going to be part of what we will share, I can video chat and they can roll put cards etc. I will interacted with them in what ever way I can, the turn of the century folks didn’t have this kind of communication. We are social animals and need to have sort of social interaction, technology can and will do that for use.

kv

 

It's time to think seriously about the economic repercussions of the current containments efforts. Millions will be without jobs maybe for months in the service sector. This will have a huge negative effect on the entire economic system. Are we really burning economic fuel for the best long term containment effect? Is the risk of a worldwide depression by also isolating the 80% that won't likely have serious health issues after infection and recovery (and are tested not to be virus carriers) really the best way to handle the current CV infection rate? I don't know but it seems to me that a total national Bay Area shutdown could be even more damaging in the long run.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/election-polling-locations.html

There is much to learn about the novel coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Based on what is currently known about the novel coronavirus and similar coronaviruses that cause SARS and MERS, spread from person-to-person with these viruses happens most frequently among close contacts (within about 6 feet). This type of transmission occurs via respiratory droplets. On the other hand, transmission of novel coronavirus to persons from surfaces contaminated with the virus has not been documented.

 

It's time to think seriously about the economic repercussions of the current containments efforts.

Thinking sadly doesn’t accomplish much without data.

We’re awakening in our sleeping bag to learn that a snake has crawled in overnight. Panic? Not really helpful. Extreme caution? Seems prudent.

I’m hopeful that the biggest change during the next couple weeks is knowledge. We may learn the nature of the snake in our sleeping bag.

Then comes the hard decisions. Maybe five million will die, maybe just one million. Does that warrant killing the economy? Probably not. Are the makers dying or is it mostly takers? Does that matter?

It’ll be interesting to see what deal we make with the devil. We live with other risks without a second thought; bad diets, bad habits, cars, urban crime, and so on. The Wuhan virus may just be one more on the list.