My Grandkids are the Threat to me and my Immune system issues, love them but don’t want what they can make. I purchased Jumanji the Game for them. Games are going to be part of what we will share, I can video chat and they can roll put cards etc. I will interacted with them in what ever way I can, the turn of the century folks didn’t have this kind of communication. We are social animals and need to have sort of social interaction, technology can and will do that for use.

kv

If you're into Backgammon let me know. We could play online, you and I.

 

It's time to think seriously about the economic repercussions of the current containments efforts. Millions will be without jobs maybe for months in the service sector. This will have a huge negative effect on the entire economic system. Are we really burning economic fuel for the best long term containment effect? Is the risk of a worldwide depression by also isolating the 80% that won't likely have serious health issues after infection and recovery (and are tested not to be virus carriers) really the best way to handle the current CV infection rate? I don't know but it seems to me that a total national Bay Area shutdown could be even more damaging in the long run.

Devoted Catholics will take communion each week and more overly insecure when no answer is possible for the disease, it makes a perfect storm for this virus. Kissing each other or cheek to cheek is also a greeting. Just our own greeting can kill, Italy has it worse than others because maybe it’s a social thing not discover yet.

kv

 

Devoted Catholics will take communion each week and more sore when no answer is possible for the decease, it makes a perfect storm for this virus. Kissing each other or cheek to cheek is also a greeting. Just our own greeting can kill, Italy has it worse than others because maybe it’s a social thing not discover yet.

kv

I'm Catholic, and ever since the SARS pandemic we don't shake hands during peace giving, and we have a special process for communion to minimize the possibility of contagion. Down here, the celebration of mass with actual people present and participating has also been cancelled until further notice.

 

If you're into Backgammon let me know. We could play online, you and I.

I’d like to learn, maybe it’s like chess and we could move online through PM LOL be cool if we could add other players right..........

 

I'm Catholic, and ever since the SARS pandemic we don't shake hands during peace giving, and we have a special process for communion to minimize the possibility of contagion. Down here, the celebration of mass with actual people present and participating has also been cancelled until further notice.

My wife came up with that one cause her sister is Catholic, so I told her maybe it’s a Genetic thing?

I got some Italian stuff in my blood, and could be part of the European issues, I don’t know I’m pulling straws.

kv

 

Thinking sadly doesn’t accomplish much without data.

We’re awakening in our sleeping bag to learn that a snake has crawled in overnight. Panic? Not really helpful. Extreme caution? Seems prudent.

I’m hopeful that the biggest change during the next couple weeks is knowledge. We may learn the nature of the snake in our sleeping bag.

Then comes the hard decisions. Maybe five million will die, maybe just one million. Does that warrant killing the economy? Probably not. Are the makers dying or is it mostly takers? Does that matter?

It’ll be interesting to see what deal we make with the devil. We live with other risks without a second thought; bad diets, bad habits, cars, urban crime, and so on. The Wuhan virus may just be one more on the list.

All I'm saying is that the response to seasonal to flu outbreaks that kill thousands a year, every year as been mainly mitigation focused on specific populations. Common Flu risk has been factored in and accepted as a cost of living our lives in a world filled with risk. If we change (what are the criteria?) to the mass confinement model for those types of risks what will be the likely repercussions of that change?

 

I’d like to learn, maybe it’s like chess and we could move online through PM LOL be cool if we could add other players right..........

It's far easier than chess, and faster. There's lots of strategy involved, and it's a lot of fun.

Let me find a proper place for us to play (and you to learn) and I'll get back to you.

 

All I'm saying is that the response to seasonal to flu outbreaks that kill thousands a year, every year as been mainly mitigation focused on specific populations. Common Flu risk has been factored in and accepted as a cost of living our lives in a world filled with risk. If we change (what are the criteria?) to the mass confinement model for those types of risks what will be the likely repercussions of that change?

If the coronavirus fizzles and only kills, say, 10,000 in the U.S. compared to the 480,000 that many people are calling for, then we will be told that it's only because of the extreme steps that were taken -- and maybe they're right. But maybe they aren't. What will be interesting to see is if the seasonal flu deaths tank. If they don't drop into the basement, then it will be hard to claim that these measures were somehow wondrously effective against coronavirus yet ineffective against flu. But there will be no shortage of folks coming up with all kinds of justifications to claim just that. If it does tank the flu then it will be an indication that it MAY have tanked the coronavirus as well. That will certainly be the claim, but there simply won't be much evidence, other than the predictions, that it would have actually exploded the way the models predicted. But let's assume that it did and that the seasonal flu also tanks. If killing the economy is a worthy price to save a few tens of thousands or a couple hundred thousand lives, then shouldn't the norm be to do what we did this year, but perhaps not quite as extreme, if it saves fifty thousand lives a year from the normal cold and flu viruses. Besides, if we KNOW that we are going to take these measures each year, then the economy can adapt and although it will still be a big hit, it will not be the kind of out-of-the-blue catastrophe we are currently experiencing -- the normal business cycle will take it into account.

 

As I said before, the annual deaths due to flu are less than pneumonia which is less than TB. All of which have vaccines. Then there are the annual deaths from automobiles... Life is very risky.

 

Oh dear!

https://hamvention.org/committee-cancels-hamvention-2020/

Now I'm *really* mad!

SMH
HP :,(

HP big F'in deal! So your _pilgrimage_ was called! Bwaaa! Anyhow I say you already have enough JUNK you'll never do anything with!

Now I say if ppl don't come to their senses by Aug maybe @Jazz2C's pilgrimage will be called too! If so all I can say is I totally don't envy LEOs or National Guardsmen tasked with turning bikers back from Sturgis rally!

 

HP big F'in deal! So your _pilgrimage_ was called! Bwaaa!

She jests at scars that never felt a wound!

TTFN
HP

 

 

A real Big Brother event

Movement of visitors from high-risk areas to be tracked with mandatory sim and app
[Bangkok] The National Broadcasting and Telecommunication Commission (NBTC) will provide a free sim card worth Bt49 to every Thai and foreigner who had travelled from countries announced as having high risk of Covid-19 infection, such as China, Macau, Hong Kong, South Korea, Italy and Iran.

“The sim card will be used together with the AOT Airports application, which will help track the position of users for 14 days to verify that they remain in quarantine,” NBTC secretary-general Thakorn Tanthasit said.

“We have coordinated with Immigration Bureau to ask all arrivals from high-risk countries to download this app on their phone. Those who refuse to comply will be denied access to the Kingdom, according to Section 12 (7) of Immigration Act.”

Story: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30384226

Maybe it did not occur to them that people actually can leave their cellphones at home when they go out. Once again Ready, Fire!, Aim...









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As expected, there is pushback.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-generational-war-is-brewing-over-coronavirus-11584437401

In a display of juvenile gallows humor, the hashtag #BoomerRemover, a nickname for the novel coronavirus, briefly trended on Twitter last weekend.

Across Europe, where social life is shutting down faster than in the U.S., a divide is spreading between the young, many of whom say they don’t fear the virus, and their elders, including politicians and scientists, whose alarm about the illness is growing by the day.

Despite the pointed fingers and occasional excesses, many young people bristle at the accusation of selfishness, saying the new social constraints are disproportionate and unfairly target their generation.
...
“They’re preventing us from living,” said Timothée Thierry, a 30-year-old statistician at France’s health ministry. He spoke on Sunday, after the government shut down bars but before it locked down the entire country.
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On a recent night in the semiautonomous city, Peel Street, a thoroughfare lined with bars and popular with expats, thronged with hundreds of maskless drinkers. A band played in the lower half of the street, where people stood shoulder to shoulder.

“I stayed at home for two months. I’m not staying any more,” said Ryan, 26, who was walking with his friends down the main strip of nearby Lan Kwai Fong, a series of streets filled with bars and clubs. “Life goes on.”

“We worry,” said Nicole, 25. “But either you worry yourself to death or you drink yourself to death.”

 

As I said before, the annual deaths due to flu are less than pneumonia which is less than TB. All of which have vaccines. Then there are the annual deaths from automobiles... Life is very risky.

I think those relationships are suspect. First, CDC tends to lump influenza deaths (viral) with all other deaths from pneumonia. Pneumonia is a clinical diagnosis. Less than half ever have an etiology proven. That percentage used to be about 25% to 33%, but I haven't checked recently. Of those for which an etiology is known, pneumonia due to Streptococcus pneumoniae (bacterial, aka pneumococcus) are even fewer. As you point out, there is a vaccine for that. Pneumococcal pneumonia is primarily a risk for children, elderly, and immunocompromised individuals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streptococcus_pneumoniae). Deaths from TB are quite infrequent compared to the top 10, and in the US, are highly biased by pre-existing diseases or conditions. The "vaccine" for TB is called BCG. It is rarely used in the US because: 1) Those vaccinated have a positive PPD test; 2) TB is relatively rare in the US; and 3) The PPD test is widely used for clinical diagnostic screening (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantoux_test ).

Here are some CDC links that might be of interest:

1) Top 10 causes of death US 2018 and 2017 (data shown below):
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm

2) Tuberculosis rates US: 515 deaths in 2017; 9025 cases in 2018; and 9088 cases in 2017 (calculated):
https://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/factsheets/statistics/tbtrends.htm

Rates are usually expressed in number/100,000 residents (all). Here's a table from the first link that shows the actual numbers:

 

https://apnews.com/62a2ea1dc6b3bf7d10b1d7305dc1a391

Marx said he ordered staff to hot-wash all towels and sheets...

Revolting. Why is this not standard procedure regardless of coronavirus.

Remind me to stay out of German brothels.

 

@jpanhalt Yes we have excellent medical care here in the US, but worldwide... I agree that many deaths lumped into influenza may actually be due to other causes as well as many lumped into pneumonia as well. My memory is that the No 1 infectious cause of death worldwide is Aids and No 2 is TB, while in a lumped together category of "lower respiratory infections" (bronchitis, flu, pneumonia, TB, etc) is the leading cause of infectious death. Some are more easily avoided by behavioral actions and prophylaxis than others.

 

Yes, but it’s probably going to be more like 90 days.

Let's revisit what we say now 12 months from today.

 

Australia's contribution.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/05/world/coronavirus-australia-toilet-paper-scli-intl/index.html
Max.

 

Yes the TP shortage has even hit my remote spot of the world. Buncha crazy lemmings...