# Comparator circuit with +/-5v saturates to +4v and -2v.

#### Shakespeare

Joined Sep 12, 2022
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Comparator circuit with +/-5v saturates to +4v and -2v. How can I make this -2v at least -4v.

#### dl324

Joined Mar 30, 2015
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Comparator circuit with +/-5v saturates to +4v and -2v. How can I make this -2v at least -4v.

#### ericgibbs

Joined Jan 29, 2010
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Hi Shake.
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#### Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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Without looking at your schematic or knowing the type of comparator you are using; I can tell you the following

1. Most comparators do not operate from rail-to-rail, so having a wider supply range is one solution.
2. Some comparators have an open collector (open drain) output. You need to understand what that means
3. Some comparators have an analog output, and you need to understand the implications for that choice.

#### BobaMosfet

Joined Jul 1, 2009
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Comparator circuit with +/-5v saturates to +4v and -2v. How can I make this -2v at least -4v.
What you are describing sounds like it has more to do with what comparator IC you are using- which you also didn't tell us. Read the datasheet and UNDERSTAND it. We can't answer anything without more details.

#### Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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Provide a link to the datasheet for your comparator and perhaps some kind soul will guide you towards the information you seek.

#### Shakespeare

Joined Sep 12, 2022
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I am trying to use lm741 IC as a comparator.
+/- 10V is my supply to the rails. It's output saturation voltages are 9 and -7 Instead of 9 and -9. How do I fix this problem?

I know the lm741 is not a great IC but I want to use it.

#### BobTPH

Joined Jun 5, 2013
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What are you using it for? Generally, we use a comparator to get a logic output, which is not usually bipolar.

#### dl324

Joined Mar 30, 2015
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It's output saturation voltages are 9 and -7 Instead of 9 and -9. How do I fix this problem?

I know the lm741 is not a great IC but I want to use it.
You can't. LM741 can't swing that close to the rails. For lightly loaded outputs, guaranteed output voltage swing is 4V from the rails.

#### Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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I am trying to use lm741 IC as a comparator.
+/- 10V is my supply to the rails. It's output saturation voltages are 9 and -7 Instead of 9 and -9. How do I fix this problem?

I know the lm741 is not a great IC but I want to use it.
Can you find any justification from any source that suggests that what you want to do is even possible? You can try looking at a modern part if you want to get closer to the supply rails but getting all the way there may still be out of reach. The datasheet will tell how close to perfection you can get. Learn to read them instead of assuming you can do whatever you want.

#### Shakespeare

Joined Sep 12, 2022
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Can you find any justification from any source that suggests that what you want to do is even possible? You can try looking at a modern part if you want to get closer to the supply rails but getting all the way there may still be out of reach. The datasheet will tell how close to perfection you can get. Learn to read them instead of assuming you can do whatever you want.
Very bold of you to assume I'm ignorant.
I did read the datasheet and run tests on the IC. If you have nothing to say it won't hurt you to say nothing.

#### Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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Very bold of you to assume I'm ignorant.
I did read the datasheet and run tests on the IC. If you have nothing to say it won't hurt you to say nothing.
Ignorance was not my assumption at all. You asked a question that has an answer you don't want to hear. I'm assuming that you had some justification for your expectations, and I wanted to know what they were. I tried to offer some helpful suggestions to get you closer to your goal which you appear to have dismissed out of hand.

Copping an attitude when you don't get what you want is unlikely to produce the results you seek.

#### DickCappels

Joined Aug 21, 2008
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Do you mind adding two transistors to your circuit? You can the saturation chactaristics you desire with an LM741 but it will need help from additional parts.

#### crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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Then you apparently didn't understand it, since nothing in there suggests the output would be ±9 volts with ±10V supplies.
So if that's not ignorance (lack of knowledge or information), then what do you call it?

#### Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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Then you apparently didn't understand it, since nothing in there suggests the output would be ±9 volts with ±10V supplies.
So if that's not ignorance (lack of knowledge or information), then what do you call it?
Shocked Picachu face, that the world does not work according to a particular set of expectations.

#### DickCappels

Joined Aug 21, 2008
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Please, let us not bring this thread down to the level of discussing personalities.

#### Audioguru again

Joined Oct 21, 2019
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In his other thread he is using a 54 years old lousy LM741 opamp, not a comparator.

#### Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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In his other thread he is using a 54 years old lousy LM741 opamp, not a comparator.
I suspect the threads are related because he is NOT getting the answer that he wants, and maybe he thinks asking the question differently will produce a different result. This is not an infrequent occurrence among those with double digit post counts.

#### Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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Please, let us not bring this thread down to the level of discussing personalities.
I was not aware we were discussing personalities which is not quite the same thing as managing expectations. Your mileage may vary.

#### crutschow

Joined Mar 14, 2008
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Please, let us not bring this thread down to the level of discussing personalities.
Okay, but I think ignorance is a state-of-knowledge, not a personality trait.