https://semianalysis.com/2025/01/31/deepseek-debates/
DeepSeek Debates: Chinese Leadership On Cost, True Training Cost, Closed Model Margin Impacts

The narrative now is that DeepSeek is so efficient that we don’t need more compute, and everything has now massive overcapacity because of the model changes. While Jevons paradox too is overhyped, Jevons is closer to reality, the models have already induced demand with tangible effects to H100 and H200 pricing.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2025...ch-warrant-it-has-derailed-a-murder-case.html
Cleveland police used AI to justify a search warrant. It has derailed a murder case

A jury may never see the gun that authorities say was used to kill Blake Story last year.

That’s because Cleveland police used a facial recognition program – one that explicitly says its results are not admissible in court – to obtain a search warrant, according to court documents.

The search turned up what police say is the murder weapon in the suspect’s home. But a Cuyahoga County judge tossed that evidence after siding with defense attorneys who argued that the search warrant affidavit was misleading and relied on inadmissible evidence.

For law enforcement, the company offers a disclaimer on its use.

A statement at the bottom of the facial recognition report submitted by the Northeast Ohio fusion center, one that’s repeated on the company’s website, reads, in part: “These search results are not intended or permitted to be used as admissible evidence in a court of law or any court filing.”

 

https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/31/s...wrong-side-of-history-concerning-open-source/
Sam Altman: OpenAI has been on the ‘wrong side of history’ concerning open source

Altman admitted that DeepSeek has lessened OpenAI’s lead in AI, and he said he believes OpenAI has been “on the wrong side of history” when it comes to open sourcing its technologies. While OpenAI has open sourced models in the past, the company has generally favored a proprietary, closed source development approach.

“[I personally think we need to] figure out a different open source strategy,” Altman said. “Not everyone at OpenAI shares this view, and it’s also not our current highest priority … We will produce better models [going forward], but we will maintain less of a lead than we did in previous years.”

 

Not a shocker.
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2025/02/02/2003831193
Government agencies banned from using DeepSeek, digital ministry says

Separately, the US Navy has forbidden service members from using the Chinese-developed AI model in any form.

 

https://www.wiz.io/blog/wiz-research-uncovers-exposed-deepseek-database-leak
Wiz Research Uncovers Exposed DeepSeek Database Leaking Sensitive Information, Including Chat History
A publicly accessible database belonging to DeepSeek allowed full control over database operations, including the ability to access internal data. The exposure includes over a million lines of log streams with highly sensitive information.

 

https://www.wiz.io/blog/wiz-research-uncovers-exposed-deepseek-database-leak
Wiz Research Uncovers Exposed DeepSeek Database Leaking Sensitive Information, Including Chat History
A publicly accessible database belonging to DeepSeek allowed full control over database operations, including the ability to access internal data. The exposure includes over a million lines of log streams with highly sensitive information.

Completely unintentional, I'm sure.

BTW, DeepSeek was one of the most downloaded apps for ios and Android last week.

I can't figure out why anyone would install a Chinese spy app on their personal device.

 

Completely unintentional, I'm sure.

BTW, DeepSeek was one of the most downloaded apps for ios and Android last week.

I can't figure out why anyone would install a Chinese spy app on their personal device.

TikTok anyone?

 

TikTok anyone?

Not for me, or anyone in my family or business.

 

Not for me, or anyone in my family or business.

Exactly, why anyone would install a Chinese spy app on their personal device.

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/tiktok-is-snooping-on-users-why-dont-they-seem-to-care/

ByteDance, the Beijing-based company that owns and controls TikTok, is currently under investigation by the US Justice Department for spying on citizens, including journalists. In September last year, European Union regulators fined TikTok €345 million ($560m) for violating data protection laws. That was after the UK data watchdog levelled a £12.7m ($24m) fine at the company for illegally processing the data of 1.4 million children under 13 who were using its platform.

 

I have to do some businesses with China. For that purpose, some suppliers require I have a WeChat account ... So what I did is I bought another completely separate phone with which I use that, and other Chinese apps (not TikTok, for sure). I would never, never ever install a Chinese app in any of my personal or professional devices.

 

I have to do some businesses with China. For that purpose, some suppliers require I have a WeChat account ... So what I did is I bought another completely separate phone with which I use that, and other Chinese apps (not TikTok, for sure). I would never, never ever install a Chinese app in any of my personal or professional devices.

I deal with China as well. My contacts use my secure infrastructure for comms.

 

https://www.404media.co/openai-furious-deepseek-might-have-stolen-all-the-data-openai-stole-from-us/
OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data OpenAI Stole From Us

I will explain what this means in a moment, but first: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha. It is, as many have already pointed out, incredibly ironic that OpenAI, a company that has been obtaining large amounts of data from all of humankind largely in an “unauthorized manner,” and, in some cases, in violation of the terms of service of those from whom they have been taking from, is now complaining about the very practices by which it has built its company.

The argument that OpenAI, and every artificial intelligence company who has been sued for surreptitiously and indiscriminately sucking up whatever data it can find on the internet is not that they are not sucking up all of this data, it is that they are sucking up this data and they are allowed to do so.

"There is no honor among thieves"

Inbred AI's.

 

https://apnews.com/article/deepseek...ity-concerns-c52562f8c4760a81c4f76bc5fbdebad0
Researchers link DeepSeek’s blockbuster chatbot to Chinese telecom banned from doing business in US

The web login page of DeepSeek’s chatbot contains heavily obfuscated computer script that when deciphered shows connections to computer infrastructure owned by China Mobile, a state-owned telecommunications company. The code appears to be part of the account creation and user login process for DeepSeek.

In its privacy policy, DeepSeek acknowledged storing data on servers inside the People’s Republic of China. But its chatbot appears more directly tied to the Chinese state than previously known through the link revealed by researchers to China Mobile. The U.S. has claimed there are close ties between China Mobile and the Chinese military as justification for placing limited sanctions on the company. DeepSeek and China Mobile did not respond to emails seeking comment.

The company’s analysis of the code determined that there were links in that code pointing to China Mobile authentication and identity management computer systems, meaning it could be part of the login process for some users accessing DeepSeek.

The AP asked two academic cybersecurity experts — Joel Reardon of the University of Calgary and Serge Egelman of the University of California, Berkeley — to verify Feroot’s findings. In their independent analysis of the DeepSeek code, they confirmed there were links between the chatbot’s login system and China Mobile.


“It’s clear that China Mobile is somehow involved in registering for DeepSeek,” said Reardon. He didn’t see data being transferred in his testing but concluded that it is likely being activated for some users or in some login methods.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/feb/04/ai-granny-scammers-phone-fraud
‘Dear, did you say pastry?’: meet the ‘AI granny’ driving scammers up the wall
Daisy’s dithering frustrates phone fraudsters and wastes time they could be using to scam real people

Finally, a truly useful implementation of AI.

 

 

 

It works where you have a massive amount of "high quality" data for training to see and build patterns but that's not really intelligence advancing science, it's a very useful accelerator tool. It's a guided needle in a haystack of possible permutations. Only humans can decide if the results are useful and valid. The program is clueless on what advances science or applied science but it's a great tool for those that do understand.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07487-w
Accurate structure prediction of biomolecular interactions with AlphaFold 3

Model limitations
We note model limitations of AF3 with respect to stereochemistry, hallucinations, dynamics and accuracy for certain targets.
On stereochemistry, we note two main classes of violations. The first is that the model outputs do not always respect chirality (Fig. 5b), despite the model receiving reference structures with correct chirality as input features. To address this in the PoseBusters benchmark, we included a penalty for chirality violation in our ranking formula for model predictions. Despite this, we still observe a chirality violation rate of 4.4% in the benchmark. The second class of stereochemical violations is a tendency of the model to occasionally produce overlapping (clashing) atoms in the predictions. This sometimes manifests as extreme violations in homomers in which entire chains have been observed to overlap (Fig. 5e). Penalizing clashes during ranking (Supplementary Methods 5.9.3) reduces the occurrence of this failure mode but does not eliminate them. Almost all remaining clashes occur for protein–nucleic complexes with both greater than 100 nucleotides and greater than 2,000 residues in total.
...
A key limitation of protein structure prediction models is that they typically predict static structures as seen in the PDB, not the dynamical behaviour of biomolecular systems in solution. This limitation persists for AF3, in which multiple random seeds for either the diffusion head or the overall network do not produce an approximation of the solution ensemble.

 

The program is clueless on what advances science or applied science but it's a great tool for those that do understand.

I agree, the problem is that it's also a tool that, like all-too-many tools, is far more likely to be abused by users that are as clueless as the tool.

 

I remember when AI was touted as an excellent maintenance tool for industry. Off all the possible paths for diagnosing equipment failures and repairs it would be able to "intelligently" propose the proper course of action in repairs. Boy has that ever been skewed...

 

AI can now replicate itself — a milestone that has experts terrified

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"Successful self-replication under no human assistance is the essential step for AI to outsmart [humans], and is an early signal for rogue AIs," the researchers wrote in the study, published Dec. 9, 2024 to the preprint database arXiv.