Cell Phone Permissions, What the ?.?.?.?

jpanhalt

Joined Jan 18, 2008
11,087
@MrAl

Regulating monopolies is not a new problem. Your utilities are effectively regulated monopolies. There does not seem to be a perfect solution.

There are at least 3 options:
1) Institute consumer protection laws, establish standards for self-regulation, and allow affected consumers easy access to our court system;
2) Implement regulatory agencies/commissions/authorities/etc.; and
3) Nationalize the industry effectively making it a government service.

Examples:
#1: Automobile and consumer product safety. You can sue directly and do not have to go through mediation or a commission. Medical and legal practices are also included. Both professions self regulate. For medicine, there are government standards that such self-regulation must meet. Don't know whether similar standards for self-regulation of the legal profession exist.

#2:Utility commissions, FINRA (Financial Industry Regulatory Authority) are examples. The problem is that impartiality of of the commission/agency/authority/etc. (NGO) is virtually impossible to maintain. Take FINRA, the arbitrators are paid by those they regulate (financial institutions). Utility commissions are subject to the same influences by the big companies v. consumers. How many consumers can afford to sponsor a golf outing? The saving grace is when after pleading with the commission or arbitrators, one still retains the right to sue for damages if not satisfied. That is not always the case.

#3: Examples are most government services, including the VAMC (Veterans Administration), Medicare, Medicaid, highways, and the ATC (Air Traffic Control). The ATC seems to work reasonably well, but even it is subject to bias -- landing priorities can be/are juggled to favor certain classes of aircraft or carriers. It is difficult or impossible to redress inadequacies by suing. Has anyone here sued the government for a defective highway? Abuse is far too easy and virtually impossible to remedy (VAMC is one example).

As for cell phones and internet, I think #1 would work, but there would need to be controls to make it financially practical to sue, other than as a class action. No one has the financial wherewithal to sue Google presently. That could be fixed by law. The second alternative (#2) would also seem to be workable, but there needs to be a better way to select arbitrators than, say, the way FINRA does it.
 

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MrAl

Joined Jun 17, 2014
11,485
Hi,

Well i dont want to see full blown socialism either, but something has to be done if we are to maintain the country as a free country with rights to privacy too.
This is what happens with pure capitalism. They get the right to do something then they take it too far forgetting what country they are in. The problem is that they can not regulate themselves in order to maintain freedom the way it should be so someone has to step on their toes a little. In short i guess they get greedy and it the past is has been with money but now it's also our privacy because apparently they make money there too.
The question now is, what is next? What rights will they step on next?
Yes we get some good services from these places but there has to be a balance.

You know what else is a little funny. I always get this, "Thank you for your payment". Like wow like i really wanted to pay you all that money you demanded it.
Verizon gives me a "contract" (in quotes) but then they RAISE THE PRICE ANYWAY and state that the contract is only for the channel lineup not the equipment. They also tried to get me to pay an extra 2.50 because THEY outdated THEIR router that THEY sent to ME. They even moved a channel from my package to a higher premium package without telling me. Then they raised the price of the Set Top Box per month.
THAT"S SOME CONTRACT HUH?
It's a contract where *I* can not back out of without paying a penalty, but *THEY* can raise the monthly charge anytime they want to. Once my so called contract ends this time if they dont stop this i'll stop them i'll get rid of them this time.
 
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Berzerker

Joined Jul 29, 2018
621
The way this is fixed is you pay for Tracebook and (Twit)ter and Google just like any other service you have and this places it under federal guidelines.
Brzrkr
 

killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
835
On my Mac I use "Malware bites" as far as my iPhone I don't download anything from the .net other than things from the App store, which are pre-approved. Chances are very small, each OS update will wipe them if they did get onto the phone.

https://www.lifewire.com/is-it-possible-iphone-virus-1999742

The Jail broke phones are risky.

What Increases the Risk of Your iPhone Getting a Virus
The only iPhone viruses that have been seen "in the wild" (meaning that they're an actual threat to iPhone owners) are worms that almost exclusively attack iPhones that have been jailbroken. So, as long as you haven't jailbroken your iPhone, iPod touch, or iPad, you should be safe from viruses.


To get a sense of how much risk there is of getting an iPhone virus, check out what antivirus software is available in the App Store. Turns out, there isn't any.


All of the major antivirus companies — McAfee, Symantec, Trend Micro, etc. — have security apps available for the iPhone, but none of them have antivirus tools. Instead, they focus on helping you find lost devices, backing up your data, securing your web browsing, and protecting your privacy.


There simply aren’t any antivirus programs in the App Store (the ones that carry that name are games or tools to scan attachments for viruses that couldn't infect iOS anyway). The closest any company came to releasing one was McAfee. That antivirus company developed an internal app back in 2008, but never released it. If iPhones could get viruses in any serious way, you can be sure apps would be available.
kv
 

killivolt

Joined Jan 10, 2010
835
That's why I switched and talked my oldest son into switching to Consumer Cellular. He went from paying `$300 a month to ~$100. and I went from ~$200 to $49.
When I retire I have a Track Phone, I'll cancel my service with ATT which is monthly, the Uni pays me a stipend, they even purchased the phone, I'll have to look into Consumer Cellular, I like being able to create a hotspot when I'm fishing on the lake.

kv
 

shortbus

Joined Sep 30, 2009
10,045
I had AT&T before switching, Funny thing is Consumer allows you to pick what carrier you want AT&T or Verizon. Or at least they do around here.
 
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