Can somebody lend a hand with a simple circuit?

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fusionwerks

Joined Oct 11, 2017
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Below is the current setup that i am working with.
The "Controller" shares a common ground (-) with multiple different voltage power supplies for devices (in this case it is 12 VDC) There is also a 5 VDC, and 24 VDC in my setup (Not shown).
The Devices are wired to the corresponding voltage power supply (+)
The "DEVICE" is a 12 VDC beacon light that has 2 modes: (A) Strobe, (B) Rotate sequence
It has a momentary switch (S2) that when shorted to ground changes the modes.
The device defaults back to mode A whenever the circuit is broken and then re-established.
I believe that the device has a 14 pin chip that is programmed to make this change. I do not know enough about it to try to replace / re-program.
What i would like to do is somehow create a simple 555 circuit to make this change to mode B.
It would have to send a simulated button press and release immediately after S1 closes on the controller.
I have read a little about 555 circuits but i dont know how to do this using the ground as a signal (trigger) or if its even possible.
Im asking for a simple circuit that i can build and a "dumbed down" explanation of how to connect it. Im sure if it is possible, its extremely easy, i just dont know.

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Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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What sort of event do you want to cause a mode change? You could easily place a NPN transistor like a 2N2222 across S2 bringing the mode select to a logic low and changing the mode. I guess I don't see what the 555 timer would be doing? I think I see where you want to go when you mention S1. You could likely use a simple One Shot so anytime S1 is pressed you get a one shot pulse and using the transistor as I mentioned simulate an S2 momentary closure.

<EDIT> Bad choice of words on my part. I see S1 looks to be just an On/Off switch but you could take the Logic Low from S1 and use it to trigger a 555 as a one shot. Use a one shot pulse duration of maybe 0.5 second. That should simulate a button push on S2. </EDIT>

Ron
 
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MaxHeadRoom

Joined Jul 18, 2013
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Could do with more info on the unit, for e.g. what is the 14pin IC No.?
Do you have any instructional or schematics on the unit?
Max.
 

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fusionwerks

Joined Oct 11, 2017
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I guess i wasn't explaining it correctly. S1 is not really a switch it was just the only symbol i could find to represent it best. It's really just an output on a control board. When directed by the PC through software it basically just sends ground to that pin to complete the 12v circuit. What i need to do is to simulate a button press and release on S2 right after S1 closes in order to switch the mode. It doesn't have to be perfect, but i would like it to happen quickly. I am by no means an electronics guy, but i can build something off a schematic if someone provided it.

There is no markings on the 14 pin IC. I included a picture of the lights board if someone wants to try to decipher it. Maybe i can solder a jumper across something? The traces are hard to see, but, obviously the red is 12v+ and the black is -, and the white wire switches the modes when shorted to ground momentarily. the 6 larger solder points are to the LED lights that surround it. The switch is on the other end of the cable.20171010_103219.jpg
 

Reloadron

Joined Jan 15, 2015
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It's really just an output on a control board. When directed by the PC through software it basically just sends ground to that pin to complete the 12v circuit.
OK, so it goes low making a ground. I would just use a 555 configured as a one shot the way I mentioned. Use that low going signal to trigger a 555 One Shot and use the output pin of the 555 (pin 3) to drive a transistor like a 2N2222 or 2N3904 as the push button switch. Leave the PB switch in circuit. Just add the switching transistor across it.

Ron
 

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fusionwerks

Joined Oct 11, 2017
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Thank you Ron, I do understand the THEORY of what your talking about, but can you possible draw the circuit for me so i can understand enough to build this, i really am new to this.
 

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fusionwerks

Joined Oct 11, 2017
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Still trying to figure this out. Can anyone help me by drawing this out so i can understand it better? Including capacitors and resistors i would need?
 

Alec_t

Joined Sep 17, 2013
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I wonder if it might be necessary to have a slight delay between S1 closing and S2 pulsing low, in case the chip has a start-up delay? If so, here's a suggested circuit :
DelayedPulseGen.PNG
R1C1 introduce that slight delay, then C2R3 set the duration of the pulse which pulls S2 low.
U1 is a CD4016 hex CMOS Schmitt inverter gate. U1b can sink a couple of mA pulling S2 low, but if you need more current-sinking you can connect the 4 otherwise-unused gates in U1 in parallel with U1b. If this sink-current boosting isn't needed then any unused gate inputs should be grounded.
A 100nF decoupling cap (not shown) should be connected across and close to the IC supply pins (7 and 14).
 

Alec_t

Joined Sep 17, 2013
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On further thought it would be advisable to prevent the delay timing of my circuit from being affected by the impedance of components in the controller module. So here's a modification :
DelayedPulseGen2.PNG
 
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