Can anyone figure out how this polarization circuit keeps at fixed voltage an input pin

Papabravo

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Houseman

Joined Sep 25, 2018
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but it isn’t built the way you’ve simulated.
There are no 47k resistors.
If You see on the datasheet of both transistors, they have 2x built-in 47k biasing resistors the model of LTspice has not inserted, so I added them manually externally
 

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Houseman

Joined Sep 25, 2018
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You know what?
I was thinking since this driver (PCB) comes built by a small italian company that sells LED, maybe:
1. the designer was simply wrong, and made a mistake he even figured out he made.
2.OR please see below.

THOUGHT 1:
I mean, please follow me
They sell this small drivers to steer 100% PWM the LED. Thay have on their catalogue same design with 4 different Rsense to accomplish different output currents, but that's it.
If it's written on the datasheet that leaving pin2 unconnected it pulls internally the pin high to 100% PWM. So why add extra stuff?? but maybe he did pass by this datasheet info. And he wanted to keep pin2 at 2,5V level without the result.
I have seen, simulated, and measured that Q2 is OFF, so no current is drawn out the collector. NO way to discuss.
Q2 OFF.png

Q2 in this state is unable to pull away pin2 from his HIGH state, so PWM is 100%.
Maybe really the simplest solution is that we are trying to figure out something from a mistake.
OR...
SOLUTION #2
Look what happens if I leave unconnected pin2 on the simulation:
there is a small voltage drift.
PIN2 floating.png
Maybe keeping the Q2 connected does stabilize at fixed internal reference voltage all the circuit...
who knows.
 

Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
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is it referred to me? Where did I do that?
Regards
Not specifically -- No. There is a general problem with providing the information needed to solve problems. The most egregious cases are the ones with a verbal description of a circuit with no schematic diagram in sight. At least you made an effort to help us help you.
 

eetech00

Joined Jun 8, 2013
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If You see on the datasheet of both transistors, they have 2x built-in 47k biasing resistors the model of LTspice has not inserted, so I added them manually externally
Actually, the PDTC114ET doesn't have 47k internal resistors.
The part you've used in the simulation, PDTC114ET, should have internal 10k resistors.

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After reviewing the spice model, I've corrected it and modified it to include the resistors.

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eetech00

Joined Jun 8, 2013
4,744
You know what?
I was thinking since this driver (PCB) comes built by a small italian company that sells LED, maybe:
1. the designer was simply wrong, and made a mistake he even figured out he made.
2.OR please see below.

THOUGHT 1:
I mean, please follow me
They sell this small drivers to steer 100% PWM the LED. Thay have on their catalogue same design with 4 different Rsense to accomplish different output currents, but that's it.
If it's written on the datasheet that leaving pin2 unconnected it pulls internally the pin high to 100% PWM. So why add extra stuff?? but maybe he did pass by this datasheet info. And he wanted to keep pin2 at 2,5V level without the result.
I have seen, simulated, and measured that Q2 is OFF, so no current is drawn out the collector. NO way to discuss.
View attachment 329617

Q2 in this state is unable to pull away pin2 from his HIGH state, so PWM is 100%.
Maybe really the simplest solution is that we are trying to figure out something from a mistake.
OR...
SOLUTION #2
Look what happens if I leave unconnected pin2 on the simulation:
there is a small voltage drift.
View attachment 329624
Maybe keeping the Q2 connected does stabilize at fixed internal reference voltage all the circuit...
who knows.
Current source, "I1", value should 18uA, not 18mA.
 

Papabravo

Joined Feb 24, 2006
22,115
I see.
@Papabravo
What do you think about my last proposal of a distracted-error_unaware-designer?
Regards
I think that people who go to the trouble to make printed circuit boards have a good idea of what they are trying to do and if the cost of fabrication and assembly is coming out of their pocket, I think a great deal of care was exercised in the development and testing of this circuit. Just because we are unable to divine their intentions and thought processes is not an indictment of their work.
 
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