# basic voltage query

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#### Albert Symes

Joined Oct 22, 2015
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300/12=.04

.o4 x 25=1V

voltage is 1

#### WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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Where is this "300" coming from?

Where is this "25" coming from?

What are the units on the 300? What are the units on the 12? What are the units on the 25? If you would bother to put some units on there, I bet you would find that your "0.04" does not have the units you think it does and, at that point, you would know that your work was incorrect.

You better stop being so sloppy with your work. If you don't, then you are wasting your time and money studying in this field. You are effectively pulling numbers out of thin air with absolutely no basis for what you are doing. You are basically a random number generator.

#### Albert Symes

Joined Oct 22, 2015
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300 total R
I'm using v I r and changing this formula.
so 200 +100 for voltmeter

#### JoeJester

Joined Apr 26, 2005
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Are you in school or are you doing self study?

#### Albert Symes

Joined Oct 22, 2015
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bit of both

I'm as good as my teachers that teach me as they say

#### dl324

Joined Mar 30, 2015
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300 total R
I'm using v I r and changing this formula.
so 200 +100 for voltmeter
How would you describe the connection of the voltmeter to the resistor you're trying to measure? Series or parallel?

#### WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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bit of both

I'm as good as my teachers that teach me as they say
I think I see part of your problem. It is either: (a) you have a high degree of arrogance and believe that you know more than the teachers, when you demonstrably don't understand stuff that is covered the first day in most Circuits I courses, or (b) you truly do have absolute idiots for teachers. I don't know which it is, possibly some combination of both. But in either case you are going to have serious difficulties moving forward. In the latter case you are completely wasting your time studying under people that are clueless about the field. This would be like paying some school to learn how to become a gourmet chef but the school has hired teachers who have never cooked anything in their life. In the former case you will continue to refuse to take the advice and instruction you are given because you are convinced you know better.

#### WBahn

Joined Mar 31, 2012
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300 total R
I'm using v I r and changing this formula.
so 200 +100 for voltmeter
v I r is not a formula.

v = i * r is a formula.

What you are doing is grabbing any formula you can find and throwing whatever numbers you find at it without bothering to consider if it is the right formula to use or whether the numbers you are using make sense to use in it. You don't seem to have any desire to understand the fundamental concepts.

Even assuming that 300 kΩ was a meaningful value for this problem (which it is not), why are you dividing 300 kΩ by 12 V? What about this "formula" leads you to do that?

And then why do you multiply it by 25?

#### joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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...I'm as good as my teachers ...
I seriously doubt that. You have an excellent teacher in @WBahn, and you are completely ignoring the wisdom he is trying to impart upon you.

My guess is you do the same with your teachers at school.

Give it up. You don't have what it takes.

#### Albert Symes

Joined Oct 22, 2015
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and now i'll carry on

so battery voltage /total restistance x r1 = voltage

12/300,000 =0.00004

0.00004 x r1(100,000 ohm)= 4v

I understand v=ir I understand that,if you look at my replies ive even been able to manipulate that formula.i just haven't spelled it out

#### Albert Symes

Joined Oct 22, 2015
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I'm just looking for the answer.

nobody has been able to give me that.

joe jester may be the best teacher on here,i don't know,wbahn,has some knowledge

who is the best teacher is it the one with a degree,a masters,a cert,the one without all,i cant say?

#### joeyd999

Joined Jun 6, 2011
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I'm just looking for the answer.

nobody has been able to give me that.
And no one will. Use your brain. That's what it's there for.

#### dl324

Joined Mar 30, 2015
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I'm just looking for the answer.

nobody has been able to give me that.
This is the Homework forum. Students are expected to show their work and give their best effort to solve the problem.

#### Albert Symes

Joined Oct 22, 2015
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read my replies,ive been trying that

#### Albert Symes

Joined Oct 22, 2015
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I'm using my brain,quite hard in fact

#### Albert Symes

Joined Oct 22, 2015
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its a difficult problem,fair enough,its got us all puzzled

#### dl324

Joined Mar 30, 2015
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read my replies,ive been trying that
The responders have been trying to get you to model the problem correctly. WBahn told you to model the voltmeter as a 100K resistor. You haven't done that yet (correctly).

#### dl324

Joined Mar 30, 2015
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so battery voltage /total restistance x r1 = voltage

12/300,000 =0.00004

0.00004 x r1(100,000 ohm)= 4v

I understand v=ir I understand that,if you look at my replies ive even been able to manipulate that formula.i just haven't spelled it out
But the meter resistance isn't in series with the other two resistors. What you drew was correct.

You don't need to use Ohm's Law to calculate the voltage the meter will measure.

What is the voltage at the node between the two resistors? Without using Ohm's Law...

#### Albert Symes

Joined Oct 22, 2015
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Im saying 4v using ohms,

without using ohms id say 12v

#### dl324

Joined Mar 30, 2015
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An unfortunate side effect of you not understanding the circuit and the values involved has allowed you to arrive at the correct answer using the wrong circuit. Maybe the values were chosen so you could calculate the result in your head; which is what I did.

Change the two resistors to 50K and redo the exercise.

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