Australia is crazy, Covid.

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xox

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police in Ottaw are going after people with Jerry Cans as they are seen as supporters of protesters. as expected any measure triggers even more resistance so bunch of people started parading with empty fuel containers. some filled them with water and drink from them trolling police
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What with the PM giving news conferences where he roundabout fails to address any grievances, even going as far as to villainizing his own constituents, it doesn't look very good for Canada and it certainly isn't going to help his career either. Well just look at what is going on across the pond in the U.K. Very same thing. PM ignores the groans of the people and now the whole party is developing cracks.

Moral of the story? Being a politician is not as easy as it looks! To be good at it one must know how to balance all of those special interest pressures (ie: the lobbyists) with more practical matters (eg: not enraging the populace). The vaccine lobby want mandates and vaccinations. The people want their lives back. There has to be some middle ground that unites everyone. Now they just need to figure out what that is and help restore the people's faith in the process...
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
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What with the PM giving news conferences where he roundabout fails to address any grievances, even going as far as to villainizing his own constituents, it doesn't look very good for Canada and it certainly isn't going to help his career either. Well just look at what is going on across the pond in the U.K. Very same thing. PM ignores the groans of the people and now the whole party is developing cracks.

Moral of the story? Being a politician is not as easy as it looks! To be good at it one must know how to balance all of those special interest pressures (ie: the lobbyists) with more practical matters (eg: not enraging the populace). The vaccine lobby want mandates and vaccinations. The people want their lives back. There has to be some middle ground that unites everyone. Now they just need to figure out what that is and help restore the people's faith in the process...
Yes, the MPs are starting to abandon the sinking ship. Apparently yesterday our Prime Minister walked out during question period... Many (not the fringe minority who are apparently all sorts of "ists" are calling for his removal).
 

nsaspook

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https://www.axios.com/new-york-drops-indoor-mask-mandate-56fab8c9-a70b-4c1b-b13a-9a4f6213d956.html
Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) announced Wednesday the state will drop its indoor mask mandate and a requirement that businesses ask customers for proof of vaccination starting Thursday.

Why it matters: New York joins several other blue states in seeking normalcy and rolling back restrictions meant to slow the spread of COVID-19, as cases rapidly wane after peaking in January from the Omicron variant.
 

MrChips

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There has to be some middle ground that unites everyone. Now they just need to figure out what that is and help restore the people's faith in the process...
What is that middle ground when there is none? You cannot please everyone all the time.
Every politician is caught between the proverbial rock and hard place.

I predict that in less than 12 months we will be on to the next wave.
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
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What what is that middle ground when there is none? You cannot please everyone all the time.
Every politician is caught between the proverbial rock and hard place.

I predict that in less than 12 months we will be on to the next wave.
The waves are never going to stop. They will eventually go from storm surges to something much more managable.

What politicians have managed to achieve in this country is divide the people to a point where families are not talking to each other. I have seen this before. It leads to very bad events. The benefits of measures taken are not there and I have not seen a single action proposed to actually improve our badly ailing healthcare system.

BTW, healthcare contracts are up. This will only get uglier. I like what I do, but I want out because I am sick of beaurocracy and the waste.
 

justtrying

Joined Mar 9, 2011
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We have been blessed with this:


Today she mandated vaccines for dentists, chiropractors and a few other professionals. Between this and horrendous cost of living in BC, more people will leave this province.
 

MrChips

Joined Oct 2, 2009
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The waves are never going to stop. They will eventually go from storm surges to something much more managable.

What politicians have managed to achieve in this country is divide the people to a point where families are not talking to each other. I have seen this before. It leads to very bad events. The benefits of measures taken are not there and I have not seen a single action proposed to actually improve our badly ailing healthcare system.

BTW, healthcare contracts are up. This will only get uglier. I like what I do, but I want out because I am sick of beaurocracy and the waste.
Would you wish to be a politician or bureaucrat under current circumstances? Don’t blame them. Nobody has a viable solution that would solve today’s problems.
 

LowQCab

Joined Nov 6, 2012
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Life IS Politics,
there are simply some subjects that some people don't like, or disagree with.

"" ......... nobody has a viable solution that would solve today’s problems. ""

Correction .............
You are simply not aware of a solution,
the solution is being implemented right now,
but since the vast majority of people have not been paying attention to what's going on,
they would completely freak-out if they were told the exact situation in one sitting.

All is going according to plan,
the problem is in good and competent hands.
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nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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Covid related mandates violate bodily sovereignty—a dealbreaker for many people but necessary in some conditions. I believe, in the USA, (using the current infections data on the current virus) we are past the point of needing to violate bodily sovereignty with means other than highly suggested but not mandated vaccination. It's time for all sides to roll back the "preachy".

We have vaccines available and health officials from all sides of the political fence have decided it is time to move on.
 

panic mode

Joined Oct 10, 2011
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USA was hit really hard. More people suffered or died than in some other countries. In Canada things were not as bad and population here was following the guidelines rather well. But many are just tired of it.

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You are simply not aware of a solution, the solution is being implemented right now,
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All is going according to plan, the problem is in good and competent hands.
When some unfamiliar entity is claimed to have some unknown plan, "someone good" is in control, and things will just work out.... I immediately have a lot of questions.
 

nsaspook

Joined Aug 27, 2009
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https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00214-3
Several studies have found that people who had been vaccinated or had been infected with SARS-CoV-2 had about the same T-cell response to Omicron as they did to the Delta variant, despite the large number of mutations8,9. Observations of Omicron’s spread also suggest that this is so. A T-cell response is possibly also helping to drive the phenomenon known as ‘decoupling’. In areas with higher immunity because of past infections or vaccination, the number of cases of Omicron has risen quickly, but the number of hospitalizations and deaths has increased much more slowly.

Evolution of immunity
A perfect vaccine would induce an immune response that is not only durable, but also broad enough to protect against the virus as it mutates and evolves. With Omicron raging, it seems the vaccines have lost some ground. But the immune system still has a number of tricks to deal with viruses that keep changing.
Many are still optimistic, however. “Everyone and their mother is studying SARS-CoV-2 right now,” says Scott Hensley, an immunologist at the Perelman School of Medicine. That surge of interest has led to remarkable advances in immunologists’ ability to dissect the immune response. The insights might finally help them to unlock the recipe for a vaccine that offers long-lasting, broad protection.

“What’s the magic sauce?” Pulendran asks. “Therein lies a deep, deep mystery, a fundamental challenge, which if it is solved will have a transformative effect on vaccinology.”
 

k1ng 1337

Joined Sep 11, 2020
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Life IS Politics,
there are simply some subjects that some people don't like, or disagree with.

"" ......... nobody has a viable solution that would solve today’s problems. ""

Correction .............
You are simply not aware of a solution,
the solution is being implemented right now,
but since the vast majority of people have not been paying attention to what's going on,
they would completely freak-out if they were told the exact situation in one sitting.

All is going according to plan,
the problem is in good and competent hands.
.
.
.
It's like they say, hated if you do and hated if you don't. The most opinionated people I've met regarding COVID are those with little to no education and who do not care to research beyond what is fed to them on their news reel every morning / social media. The same can be said for almost any religious or political topic. In my opinion, the ones armed with the tools and knowledge to make change are activity making contributions while the remaining 95% sits and waits for the 5% to think and act for them and when they do, they get angry claiming human rights violation.
 

panic mode

Joined Oct 10, 2011
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injecting people with something is a sign of either great desperation or great abuse.

to many, forcing mandates is a sign of great abuse since they may not see much reason for such drastic measures or desperation when survivability is 99.97% and most of those affected are individuals already at the end of their life - either due reached life expectancy or some comorbidity. since more than 99% are not seriously affected, and countries without vaccination program or mask mandates don't seem to be doing any worse, ths does not seem to be the case that would justify desperate and drastic measure.

perspective would be very different if survivability was low and if it would have significant impact on otherwise healthy population.
but there are no bodies laying in the streets. there are no field hospitals in the parking lots and garages. there are no mass burial sites with bulldozers digging new trenches and covering filled ones.

the question becomes how would we handle something that is more serious, maybe something with survivability rate of 20-30% and affecting everyone?
 
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k1ng 1337

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injecting people with something is a sign of either great desperation or great abuse.

to many, forcing mandates is a sign of great abuse since they may not see much reason for such drastic measures or desperation when survivability is 99.97% and most of those affected are individuals already at the end of their life - either due reached life expectancy or some comorbidity. since more than 99% are not seriously affected, and countries without vaccination program or mask mandates don't seem to be doing any worse, ths does not seem to be the case that would justify desperate and drastic measure.

perspective would be very different if survivability was low and if it would have significant impact on otherwise healthy population.
but there are no bodies laying in the streets. there are no field hospitals in the parking lots and garages. there are no mass burial sites with bulldozers digging new trenches and covering filled ones.

the question becomes how would we handle something that is more serious, maybe something with survivability rate of 20-30% and affecting everyone?
I believe perspective is important in situations such as these. I venture to say biochemistry is one of the most complex sciences and being so the vast majority of people must generalize of the effects of something such as a vaccine nor can they evaluate the gravity of statistics. So it seems "society" is forced to make a decision between saving the people against their will or letting them destroy themselves in ignorance. Consider police, law and order; harsh coercion is nothing new in general, only until recently has it extended to apply inside our bodies. I am currently unvaccinated although I'm thinking about getting it just so I can achieve better job relations. I don't feel it's a benefit nor a risk not to have it. I have not been I'll since COVID began which must count for.. something..
 
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panic mode

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when it comes to Covid vaccine, i see both benefit and risk. after considering many things i decided that both benefit and risk are probably mild at best so getting booster was ... acceptable.

coercion definitely can work too but i would advise against it. there is a benefit and risk in every decision.
 

k1ng 1337

Joined Sep 11, 2020
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when it comes to Covid vaccine, i see both benefit and risk. after considering many things i decided that both benefit and risk are probably mild at best so getting booster was ... acceptable.

coercion definitely can work too but i would advise against it. there is a benefit and risk in every decision.
The only rational opinion I can form about COVID is that it is not "going away". It boils down to either a real threat or an ulterior motive which I doubt. You mentioned great abuse which is an exaggeration. Consider the dairy cow, whether or not you agree, it is enslavement for the average "commodity" animal. It blows my mind that the average person will rationalize one thing as absurd and then one of equal category is justified in some way because it fits their lifestyle. I know many people who consume dairy (with no regard to the animal) and then demand rights to themselves in an extreme fashion. I do feel strongly of protecting the rights of animals.. it connects to COVID because it's people now being told what to do with their bodies in an unprecedented way. What do you think about that?
 

LowQCab

Joined Nov 6, 2012
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When some unfamiliar entity is claimed to have some unknown plan, "someone good" is in control, and things will just work out.... I immediately have a lot of questions.
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And You should have a lot of questions.
You should question EVERYTHING, ALL THE TIME
Unfortunately most people don't question "Authority" .... ever,
it would never even enter their minds to even consider questioning "Authority". Why ?

I've been questioning "Authority" since the 3rd-Grade, (~1966),
when I learned about the Constitution,
and then looked around and said, wait a minute ..........
virtually everything the government does violates the Constitution ?!?!?!?! Why ?

It's taken me ~54-years to finally figure out what is ACTUALLY going on in this World,
and it's nothing You could imagine in your wildest dreams.

Its also a movie plot which can not be easily explained to anyone who has not been on the same quest,
without totally putting them into a spin and breaking their reality.

It's all a movie, actually no, it's the biggest, most outlandish, over-the-top, "Soap-Opera" ever,
with a "Star-Wars" flavor thrown-in for good measure.

It's right in front of your face, and You can't see it .......... Why ?

One very tiny example .......... Words .......
Take this one, the word "Police",
the Police are "Policy-Enforcers", and only enforce real "Laws" by accident, ( and only on occasion ).
Why do You think that 150 years ago, a Cop was called a "Law-Man" or a "Peace-Officer", but not today.
The change in terms was not by accident. Why ?

There are literally thousands of words that mean something totally different than
"What-Everybody-Knows" or the false definition that is blindly accepted by 99% of the population. Why ?

And this is only a very-very small example.

Question everything .........
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