Get vaccinated to reduce sickness and death but most mandates are now useless as infections reduction measures and they have proven ineffective in forcing the antivaxers to get vaccinated. Emergency powers need to be curtailed and traditional infectious disease measures should be used to protect those at risk.

 

Get vaccinated to reduce sickness and death but most mandates are now useless as infections reduction measures and they have proven ineffective in forcing the antivaxers to get vaccinated. Emergency powers need to be curtailed and traditional infectious disease measures should be used to protect those at risk.

Masks do not prevent infection. They prevent the spread of infection. Unfortunately, the people who are against masks are the people who are the highest spreaders. In any given room, anti-maskers will be spreading the virus to those most unprotected. Creating a cycle of infection, raising the population requiring treatment (and hence denying treatment for other medical issues to those who need it) and thus increasing the number of deaths. The best we can hope for is enough anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers die and thus bring the pandemic under control.

 

masks don't prevent anything. they may have some effect but it is rather mild if any.

vaccine may be effective but it is not 98% and it does not help spread of the virus. most of hospitalized are fully vaccinated.

lockdowns did not produce desired effect either.

anyone hoping that continuing with those failed measures can put an end to Covid is dreaming.

 

They don't really (normal commercial masks, that is) prevent the user from inhaling the virus. But they definitely prevent the user from exhaling most droplets that in turn could affect other people.

Masks work, but only when used and properly in the proper situations. If they didn't, then why are doctors and nurses required to use them during surgery?

 

that is a controlled environment and as such it is vastly different from what happens on the streets.

in medical environment masks are used once, use is short and after use they are disposed properly. also in surgery everything is controlled - air, temperature, type of mask, supplier, who is in the room (patient and medical team), entire room is sanitized and everything is logged.

that has nothing in common with actual mask use in public where people get masks from vastly different and unverified sources, often home made, where people tend to wear mask for long times or quite often end up reusing one after folding it and keeping it in a pocket so contamination easily spreads from one side to another. in other words it it only looks that they are compliant and that is not how things are supposed to work and therefore it does not work as one would expect. so using data from studies that covered medical use and assuming things will be the same in public use is pointless. but that does not stop wild claims about mask effectiveness.

same goes for lockdowns. all leading countries used lockdown scheme that is based on a model developed by epidemiologist Neil Ferguson. and he himself admitted months ago that his model and calculations were wrong.

it is stupid and not scientific to continue with things that do not work. it is time to reconsider situation and look at things more critically and honestly, and really measure and verify independently what works and what doesn't, not take as gospel "studies" conducted by manufacturers themselves or institutions that get money for it. that included hospitals that get funding proportional to "number of Covid cases". of course they are going to skew the data. those would make smoking and taking opioids sound like cure for aids and cancer if there is money to be had.

this is why i would rather put my faith in Johns Hopkins study but everyone can choose who they want to believe.
everyone can make a mistake too but i would rather not trust someone that is ignoring reality and is not willing to admit mistake.

 

They don't really (normal commercial masks, that is) prevent the user from inhaling the virus. But they definitely prevent the user from exhaling most droplets that in turn could affect other people.

Masks work, but only when used and properly in the proper situations. If they didn't, then why are doctors and nurses required to use them during surgery?

“Surgical N95s” are what doctors and nurses wear.
https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1839703O/surgical-n95-vs-standard-n95-which-to-consider.pdf

A lot of the data on CV masking protection is totally outdated.

Only the best N95 types are protective vs Omicron and cloth masks are useless. The virus is just too infectious to be stopped by what the general public wears as masks. Case rates across the country had exactly the same transmission curves mandate or no. It's time to stop pretending the science says to continue the current restrictions, the emergency is over.

https://thehill.com/changing-americ...-cloth-face-masks-wont-cut-it-against-omicron

 

Thanks for a laugh about mask use in the hospital...

Mandate in BC for hospital workers is to use a level 3 surgical mask for all situations. You are to wear it as long as possible and can reuse unless it is visibly soiled.

N95 masks are reserved for aerosol generating procedures only such as intubating a patient or looking after a patient on a ventilator.

Fact that omicron is airborne is being dismissed. This is why outbrakes continue.

Also it is obvious that vaccinated are the ones spreading the infection - it is hard to tell if you are sick and rules for isolation are unclear.

Healthcare workers are strongly envouraged to get a booster, the uptake is quite low. I can tell you that I am definitely not doing it.

Regarding other things - our PM has completely lost touch with reality and should probably use that mental health help line that was set up not so long ago.

 

Some more idiocy...

Current isolation requirement:

If you decide to get tested and are positive, you need to isolate for 5 days if vaccinated and 10 days if unvaccinated. I assume this is since symptom onset as they do not actually specify

If you decide to not get tested, you only need to stay home until your symptoms are gone - basically ride out your fever, same as any flu

And the claim is, that public health is relying on science in issuing this guidance. Vaccine passports and all...

I went to university for a biology degree. We must have studied different science

 

There are huge differences in Covid-19 infection numbers between having no vaccine, two doses and three doses.
Two doses expired months ago, I got my 3rd dose nearly 3 months ago.

Numbers? Of course some people vaccinated with only two doses are hospitalized and the same numbers of unvaccinated, because there are way more people vaccinated and only a few unvaccinated. The numbers said that an unvaccinated person is 36 times more likely to end up dying in the ICU than a vaccinated person and were probably talking about having only 2 doses.

 

talk is cheap, show me

 

Thanks for a laugh about mask use in the hospital...

Mandate in BC for hospital workers is to use a level 3 surgical mask for all situations. You are to wear it as long as possible and can reuse unless it is visibly soiled.

Looks like street behavior made its way into hospitals. I hope that at least in surgery standards are higher.

 

There are huge differences in Covid-19 infection numbers between having no vaccine, two doses and three doses.
Two doses expired months ago, I got my 3rd dose nearly 3 months ago.

Numbers? Of course some people vaccinated with only two doses are hospitalized and the same numbers of unvaccinated, because there are way more people vaccinated and only a few unvaccinated. The numbers said that an unvaccinated person is 36 times more likely to end up dying in the ICU than a vaccinated person and were probably talking about having only 2 doses.

Don't confuse the infection numbers between no vaccine, two doses and three doses with serious case numbers. With Omicron the infection transmission differences are minimal but the rates of sickness and death are substantial.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00090-3/fulltext
Breakthrough infections with SARS-CoV-2 omicron despite mRNA vaccine booster dose

The most recent SARS-CoV-2 variant of concern to emerge has been named omicron.
Its immune evasion potential was predicted by genomic data and has been preliminarily confirmed by observations of an increased incidence of reinfections and breakthrough infections.
This has triggered calls to intensify vaccination programmes including provision of vaccine booster doses.
...
All seven individuals were infected with omicron (PANGO lineage B.1.1.529, Nextstrain clade 21K). Viral loads ranged from 4·07 to 8·22 (mean 6·38) log10 viral RNA copies per mL of swab eluate. Anti-spike antibody levels ranged from 15 000 arbitrary units (AU) per mL to more than 40 000 AU/mL, with a mean of approximately 22 000 AU/mL of serum

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/omicron-variant.html

Spread

The Omicron variant spreads more easily than the original virus that causes COVID-19 and the Delta variant. CDC expects that anyone with Omicron infection can spread the virus to others, even if they are vaccinated or don’t have symptoms.

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/...gh-cases-with-omicron-say-vaccines-still-help

TAMPA, Fla. — “We’re seeing breakthrough cases everywhere,” said Dr. Jill Roberts, Associate Professor for the University of South Florida College of Public Health.

Scientists say data shows the COVID-19 omicron variant is causing much higher numbers of breakthrough cases in fully vaccinated people.

“I get this question a lot. Do the vaccines work?” said Roberts.

Doctors have always said the vaccines are good at preventing hospitalizations and death, not getting infected.

“Do they work to prevent transmission? Not really,” said Roberts.

 

Looks like street behavior made its way into hospitals. I hope that at least in surgery standards are higher.

What I wrote was based on revised standards once COVID appeared. These were written to save money. I am not kidding. They even lowered some other long standing standards.

Unfortunately there is a reason why death by "medicine" is consistently #3 (i believe). This would be mostly either surgeon error or post op infection.

 

woah... thanks for sharing. note to self, try to not end up in a hospital...

 

Don't confuse the infection numbers between no vaccine, two doses and three doses with serious case numbers. With Omicron the infection transmission differences are minimal but the rates of sickness and death are substantial.

according to numbers posted in Canada (and linked before in my previous posts) transmission difference is minimal among 0,1,2,3-ple vaccinated.

rate of sickness and death does change, more vaccinated do fare better here. however this is only true for elderly (65+). Among people under 50 there is no notable difference.

To me that flies directly in face of current measures and was my reason to object mandates. vaccine is good and definitely beneficial for certain group (people at the top of population pyramid) but it makes little or no difference among largest part of the population where pyramid is wider. so vaccine can help provide boost to those with weak immune system and comorbidities but the effect on normal healthy population are rather questionable.

based on that i find that mandates to vaccinate children are reckless. we do not know the long term effects and this could be ticking time bomb or doom for many countries in just one generation. so i can understand those that have expressed doubts and reluctance.

several countries have met or exceeded 90% goal but this still did not solve the problem, Covid is an ongoing issue there too (Israel and New Zealand for example).

media and those in charge can choose to use their blindfold and push for more mandates but cat is out of bag and it is apparent to many that current measures did not reach desired effect.

better plan is needed...

 

Vaccinations including the booster (3rd dose) are given to all ages because experts determined that the vaccine is safe and effective for all ages. Astra Zeneca caused problems in a few teen boys.

The vaccinated people were crazy to go to South Africa at the height of their Omicron outbrake when so many people there are unvaccinated.
Denmark, UK and other countries have a high vaccination rate and had a peak outbrake of Omicron a few weeks ago so now they are nearly finished with Omicron, so they are loosening restrictions. We will too in a few weeks but not yet because we are still near the peak of infections.

 

Here now on my bit of the Georgia coast, Covid has come home to roost with all the anti-vaxers and "it's all a bunch of Gubment Bull Carp" crowd. Local Vax rate ~35% and the hospital is having to turn away patients due to a lack of beds for them. Too late to learn when you are dead...

 

rate of sickness and death does change, more vaccinated do fare better here. however this is only true for elderly (65+). Among people under 50 there is no notable difference.

To me that flies directly in face of current measures and was my reason to object mandates. vaccine is good and definitely beneficial for certain group (people at the top of population pyramid) but it makes little or no difference among largest part of the population where pyramid is wider. so vaccine can help provide boost to those with weak immune system and comorbidities but the effect on normal healthy population are rather questionable.

Look here https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalizations-vaccination

 

Lessons from Israel:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...se-covid-deaths-important-lesson-uk-vaccines/

Get your 4th shot and then keep getting them.

There are interesting comments in regards to the recent proposal of a mandatory booster. Currently if you had Covid, advise is to wait 3 month before getting a booster shot (because natural immunity does not exist). So if booster is mandatory to make vaccine passport valid, what happens to the person in the meantime? Passport is suspended? You are non compliant because you got sick?

Nevermind trying to figure out what "science" this is following.

 

Why don't antivaxers see the graphs from the USA Center For Disease Control and from all other countries? They say that vaccines are safe and effective.